This pack I think would be a great way for DTG to give back to the community because the players of TSW have spent a lot of money on TSW addons in this suggestion I am requesting for more variants and liveries for the trains both on East Coastway and the Brighton Mainline I will be including: 377/1: The 377/1 EMU is quite noticeably different from the /4 and /1 (there is another /1 group that looks the same as a /4 so its like a sub subclass) we already have because of the smaller headlight cluster and an extra marker light, these are part of the earlier generation of 377s which include /1s, /2s, /3s, /4s and /5s. (the /5s are with Southeastern and so is not included) 377/2: The 377/2 is essentially the same as a /4 but it retains its pantograph to run services to Milton Keynes Central both these and the /7 will run all services to Milton Keynes on the timetable because its unrealistic to have the 377/4 run them. 377/3: The 377/3 is the same as a /4 but as you can see it only has 3 coaches. 377/6: The 377/6 is part of the newer generation of 377s so therefore sounds slightly different (the same as a 387) it shares all the same characteristics as a 387 besides having 5 coaches,runs a top speed of 100mph and not having a pantograph. 377/7: The 377/7 is much like a 377/6 but with a pantograph and runs alongside 377/2s. LIVERIES: 377/111 We thank you NHS livery: CONCLUSION Overall I think this would be a great free bundle to have because its not too much work on Dovetails part, all they have to do is modify the 387 and 377 then hopefully AP will get new recordings for the 387 because the 377/6 and 7 sound the same as a 387 but for some reason they used the older gen 377 sounds, if they don't do this it doesn't really bother me because they sound very similar but there are differences. Find out more here: (103) Train Simulator 2021 - AP Class 377/379/387 Enhancement Pack Review - YouTube. side note Rennekton made a good point about it not making sense to be free so if this pack were to release it would be between £5-£10 but its most likely that these will release in another southern railway DLC like West Coastway or something.
If my boss told me one day that I'd be working for free to give back to the community who pay thousands of pounds to live in the care homes I've worked at, I'd tell them to go swivel.
It's not going to be free because each variant has differences from each so would require it to be remodeled. You even explained some differences. Headlights are different, some have panto, some don't, bogies and undercarriage equipment is probably different, different interiors (passenger seating/arrangement), different exterior differences, etc. This all requires lots of dev time and manual labor so it's not going to be free. Nothing is going to be free unfortunately.
When I saw the give back to community bit I thought ah ok this may be alright. But then it was my idea of hell being suggested: more Electrostars and then (luckily) I also reread the title and just thought, phew at least this won't happen.
This would be nice to have, but realistically there are quite a few interior differences and performance changes needed for these subclasses, so I don't think it could happen for free. Also, for those not familiar with the intricacies of the Electrostar, it would seem like development time is being placed on creating something near identical to what we already have, with an identical driving experience. Maybe we could get a Class 377/2 in the future if a WCML South ever appears, or a Class 377/3 to substitute on ECW services with the Class 313 if that route ever receives an upgrade. A Class 377/6 would be beneficial for a South London Network type route, but then we're back with the debate of whether we really need another southern region route when so many other regions of the UK network haven't got any representation.
Very much agree: the East has seen nothing which is barmy when you consider the lines here. Also I think the next SR route needs to be backdated as well really because surely there is only so much modern, southern, 3rd rail that can come to game before no one buys it.
Agree. Anything new Southern needs to go back to the 70's or 80's and give us VEP's, EPB's etc. But I would much rather the effort went into something new and diesel with a quieter pace, such as the Wherry Lines or Nottingham/Grantham to Skegness.
I doubt they'd redo the model but rather just make some changes to the one we have currently but I suppose you are right
100%. Any of these would be perfect in game but especially to Skeggie as that line just has a very relaxed slower pace of life feel to it and it would bring back some brilliant memories too.
Excellent idea overall however you have a problem with the following Both belong to WCML South Birmingham New St to Euston by running Willesden Junction to Milton Keynes via Watford Junction. Then sub to BML
Yes, absolutely. Why bother making the Sprinters, Penodlinos, Pacers, Shunters or the innumerable different classes that came about in the modernisation plan of the 50s or 60s or anything else bar yet more electrostars in bloody green... Can we please have something that doesn't run into Victoria or on the CML? There's a whole country outside of the south east and we've not even bothered to scratch the surface as yet
Yeah, especially when you realise there isn’t even a modern route north of Birmingham and south of Glasgow.
Going forward, it might prove prudent to create sub classes at the start of the creation process for first of a given type as making them in unison might be more time effective. Just a thought.
We pay for their products. What they do in return to "give back" is provide us with new ones and listen to our feedback. If you want free stuff, just say it.
I get your point but they aren't going to make a pack that's £5 or less if it includes completely new trains, this pack is just to add variety to the routes we already have its so unrealistic seeing Milton Keynes services operated by 377/4s
Not really relevant to this conversation but I get what you mean, kind of... Feedback can be almost anything, and mine would be "no more electrostars for a few years(like maybe ten) unless there's a really valid reason to do so and it would add gameplay we don't currently have to a route we don't currently have" So things such as AC running on GWE or up to East Anglia, the complete C2C lines etc Anything other than another big green box on Southern
Let's have a look at this, then. Routes to Victoria Brighton Mainline Routes involving the CML Southeastern High-speed (Faversham - Rochester) Brighton Mainline (Victoria Station) Routes involving London and the Southeast Brighton Mainline Southeastern High-speed Bakerloo Line East Coastway Great Western Express Routes involving other regions Cathcart Circle (Glasgow and West Scotland) Edinburgh - Glasgow (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Central Scotland) West Cornwall Local (Cornwall) Birmingham Cross-City (Birmingham and West Midlands) Northern Transpennine (Manchester, Leeds, the North) Tees Valley Line (Teeside) West Somerset Railway (Somerset) Spirit of Steam (Northwest & Merseyside) Midland Mainline (East Midlands) Island Line (Both) (Isle of Wight) Peak Forest (The North/Midlands) Blackpool-Preston (Northwest - leaked route, not confirmed) So, if we look solely at routes, it's a lot less SE biased. Although, if we categorised all of these into their own regions, yes, the SE has most.
I know I say this a lot but the are absolutely no routes in the old Eastern Region which covered a vast area of the country and lines such as the ECML and GEML. Once there are routes here, a couple more in Yorkshire and a couple of 80s SE routes you can go back to the Electrostar focused routes.
Considered it, but considering it's different nature to the South/Southeast third/fourth rail routes, I opted to exclude it.
Shout out to rivet for making both the most northern, most Western, and most southern routes. Truly exploring new regions
Different nature... I guess because everything on it's diesel and you have trains which only stop at each end that might separate it, but in truth it's a London centric route which excludes many of the classes which make "the rest of the country" what it is, ie pacers, sprinters, 158s, 170s etc And it's definitely commuter belt country and NOT west country (which doesn't start until at least Swindon)
