Why do they make such long and heavy freight jobs and only give you one loco that can barely move. Doing a job EK 51918 its a (layer in job)on mannheim route. With a 185 pulling 32 wagons weight is 3018 tons. Cannot pull on a 0.2 grade just will not move been sitting here trying for 45 mins any suggestions please ?
Unfortunately, can be like that in real life as well. I've seen countless long trains hauled by a single Class 66.
Yeah, but just basic physics.... if the scenario described is accurate the train should be moving on a 0.2% grade if it's set up correctly. The 185 has gotta be over 5,000 hp equivalent. That should be more than enough to move 3,000 tons. If those are true then it's not the weight of the cargo... it's that the train isn't set up correctly. Unfortunately I don't use the 185 so I'm not much help on how to do that. It's pretty common on German routes, so I figured a German focused fan would have popped in already to help the guy out with 185 operations.
More of a request - can you put some punctuation in your posts, please? Makes them easier to read. Thanks.
Your first post in this thread is literally one long sentence. No punctuation makes it harder to read.
I said "easier", not "possible". And yes, a wall of text can sometimes be difficult to interpret when it isn't clear where one sentence ends and another begins.
when I get home from work I might try this one as a challenge... but as far as I remember, 185 was very easy to set up, even with banking loco (if it had one)... I remember 155 taking a while to get moving when starting an approx. 1500t train... so will see, will test it when I get home
specific time/service, or is there only one service with this designation? also, which version of 185 have you used (there are many from different routes)? just so I know and can recreate
The 185 is the one that come with route. Its only job with number i think and does the whole length of the route.
In real life, a 185 is only permitted to run Mannheim -> Kaiserslautern with 2100 t. 3000t is actually really close to the limit even for TWO 185s. You can check using DB's GretA tool - no idea why DTG doesn't.
who knows, maybe there are services with special permit? I remember watching a documentary on EU freight and I remember them mentioning like 4-5k tons as usual upper max, but that there might be occasional services heavier than that, but they need special permit and usually have also reduced speed cos of safety and preserving infrastructure anyway, will try the service at home myself and see what I find
If memory serves me correctly from previous routes with overweight freight trains you can get away with uncoupling some of the load and leaving it behind. Well so long as it's not a loading or unloading scenario of course. Think people had to do this on Clinchfield and RRO to successfully finish scenarios or Journey timetable runs in the rain or snow.
It's true that there are exceptions to every rule on the railways, and this rule is no exception. But the rules don't exist because DB hates fun - they do have a specific purpose. So if you want an exception from a rule, almost always you will need to achieve the purpose of that rule (not getting stuck on a hill, not breaking a coupler, not derailing because of excessive compressive forces...) in some other way. So yes, there are some ways that you can squeeze a couple extra tons out of a loco, but they require special operational procedures that don't exist in TSW, so for our intents and purposes the "Grenzlast" from the GretA tool is a hard limit. I was quoting the limit for a 185 going from Mannheim to Kaiserslautern, not a hard limit for all trains on any route. Of course you can do heavier trains than that if you have more and/or stronger locomotives and/or shallower grades. Depending on how heavy you go, you might also need additional measures like the C-AKv coupler used on superheavy (5000...6500 t) ore trains in Germany.
sorry when I got home, fired up the service, played till like half-point, then paused it and went to take a nap, but slept till alarm, which is when I was to wake up to go to Vienna... so, I have finished it a couple mins ago... aaand, yeah, I have managed to do it sure, it was breathing heavily when starting (especially after those stop points), but at around 70% throttle it managed to budge and get moving... veeeeeery slowly... so I kept it that way or fiddled just a bit... when it reached some speed and I trusted it not to slip, I upped it gradually to 100% and kept it at that... to slow down it was usually enough to just zero throttle and downhill to engage e-brake... I even managed a 1m from stop marker at final stop so yeah, it was hard, tho I got "only" around 2700t... but manageable... kinda reminded me of Cajon Pass ... tried then with Vectron, much more fun, as that loco has soooo much power (and you can also up the e-brakes to 240 kN for good measure) oh, not sure, but I guess you did this - I set the PZB to U (I mean, 2700t train on M? lol) and brakes to G (not sure if I had to, but with that weight I set it to the slowest braking) I should probably add that I played the service with time set to July, as that usually means best visibility and dry conditions... maybe you played different time of year and different weather set up?
