Freight Trains & Braking...

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  1. paulc

    paulc Well-Known Member

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    So whenever I run a freight train, say with a class 66 for instance but it doesn't seem to matter which loco I use, 37/66 etc when braking I apply the minimum brake application (4.5bar) then have to back that off to almost 5bar (let's say 4.8) or my train will just come to a halt in a very short space of time! Is this normal TSC behaviour or is there something wrong/something I can do to make the brakes behave in a more normal fashion?
     
  2. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    What scenario or consist are you using? I can see if I can replicate it. The other day though, I put together a massive intermodal consist for a screenshot using a 66, and after I finished I drove it for a bit, and it was really heavy. I took ages to get to line speed, and just out of curiosity, I slammed on emergency braking, and it took almost 2 miles to stop, so looks like all is well here. I've not tried the 37 with a heavy freight load for ages though.
     
  3. paulc

    paulc Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Pookyhead, I'm just running APHHA 4S12 04:15 Drax - Ravenstruther (WCML North) scenario. What I'll try & do is get a video of what is happening.
     
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    I don't have the HHA pack, so cannot run that to check, sorry.
     
  5. paulc

    paulc Well-Known Member

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    No probs mate, I`ve just made a video to demonstrate the problem, see if you think its normal? I think it slows far too fast for a near 2000T train.

    Vid just uploading, will post in a min but for now here is my test consist.....

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  6. paulc

    paulc Well-Known Member

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    48MPH - 0MPH in 0.20 miles! can`t be right!

    Heres the vid, skip to 5 mins for the demo or feel free to watch the whole thing :)

     
  7. Pookeyhead

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    That does seem to be a bit light on its feet, yeah.
     
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    paulc Well-Known Member

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    It seems to accelerate like a 2000T train but it seems to stop like a light engine! Is my install of TSC broken :o
     
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    It's the Armstrong Powerhouse 66 I'm using in this video & their HHA's.
     
  11. trevkiwi

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    Perhaps the AP Class 66 enhancement pack has become uninstalled try installing it again. See if there is no update on their website. If you don't already know they have the latest version update at the bottom of the software.
     
  12. TundraFire

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    Get your branding patch! That aside, I replicated your consist from your youtube video and tried the brakes myself and got similar results. The wagon braking physics seem to have no weight on them. This might be down to the fact that these wagons are over 10 years old at this point and probably haven't received a meaningful physics update since.
     
  13. Pookeyhead

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    I just tried it trailing 2000 tons of FTAs with the same brake application as you.... definitely no problem with the AP 66 (apart from being way too quiet considering every driver of them complains about the horrendous noise at notch 7/8). Looks like it's the HHA pack. I'd raise a ticket with AP.
     
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    Tundra fire - Oops I must have forgotten to reinstall it as I've reinstalled the 66 a few times now :D
    I've raised a ticket with AP which is ongoing, I asked here as I thought my install might be broken as I get the same results with an intermodal.

    What wagons would you recommend (that I'm likely to have!) To make up a heavily consist for another test?

    Pookyhead - I'll give the FTA's a go if I have them thanks!
     
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    paulc Well-Known Member

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    I have the HKA/JMA pack from AP too, I'll try these out later on, see if they have the same issue.
     
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    paulc Well-Known Member

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    There is an update as of today for the HHA ;)
     
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  17. TundraFire

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    I wouldn't be surprised if there are other older AP wagons that also have strange braking characteristics.
     
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    If you have the BAA/BZA wagons, might be worth testing those as well.
     
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    I have the HKA/JMA wagons too
     
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    I have just tried the update and it now works as I would expect :)

     

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