French Rer Line B(mi79 Refresh And Mi84)

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  1. souleymane#2785

    souleymane#2785 Well-Known Member

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    Hello everyone, today I would like to propose to you the RER Line B in Paris Île de France. The Line B is the second busiest Line in Europe.

    Line B
    of the Île-de-France RER, more often simply called RER B, is a line of the Île-de-France regional express network which crosses the Parisian agglomeration on a north-east / south-west axis. , with two branches. It connects Aéroport Charles-de-Gaulle 2 TGV and Mitry - Claye in the northeast to Robinson and Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse in the south, passing through the heart of Paris. Created in 1977, the line carries 983,000 passengers per working day, making it the second busiest line in the network, behind line A of the RER. This line provides access to the terminals of Paris-Charles-de-Gaulle airport and those of Paris-Orly airport - via Antony station and the Orlyval automatic shuttles -, to the stadium de France, at the Paris-Nord Villepinte exhibition center, at the Arcueil examination center as well as at the Paris-Saclay scientific and technological center at Gare du Nord, Saint-Michel - Notre-Dame and Châtelet - Les Halles and to interconnect it with the Paris - Mitry - Claye line of the North network.

    Line B is a line belonging to the SNCF, on the part going from Gare du Nord to Aéroport Charles-de-Gaulle 2 TGV and Mitry - Claye, and to the RATP, on the part going from Gare du Nord to Saint- Rémy-lès-Chevreuse and Robinson. The operators have been working together since 2013. Line B operates from 5 am to 1 am approximately, with 116 MI 79 trainsets and 42 MI 84 trainsets. This line connects the two Paris airports in 1 hour 15, with only one change at Antony to take the Orlyval “light metro” (from platform to platform towards Orly). The Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse and Robinson branches from the Châtelet - Gare du Nord tunnel are operated by RATP on a 1,500-volt DC electrified network. The Charles-de-Gaulle 2 TGV Airport and Mitry - Claye branches are, from Gare du Nord, operated by SNCF at a voltage of 25,000 volts alternating current.

    The presence of these two voltages forced the RATP to build dual-voltage rolling stock when the SNCF branch (also called interconnection equipment, MI) was opened.

    RER B mission codes are made up of four letters followed by two numbers. First letter (destination of the train)
    The first letter provides information on the final destination of the train taking passengers, according to the two tables above.
    Second letter (service)

    The second letter joins the first to detail the stations served by the train.
    Third and fourth letters
    They are chosen to make everything pronounceable and memorable.

    Transport offer

    During peak hours, from 7 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. and from 4:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., the line's timetable provides for up to twenty trains per hour, or one train every three minutes.

    In the morning from north to south and in the evening from south to north, the transport offer includes, every twelve minutes:

    one way (morning) / one return (evening) Charles-de-Gaulle 2 TGV Airport - Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse, serving all stations to Gentilly, then Arcueil-Cachan, Bourg-la-Reine, Antony, Les Baconnets, Massy - Palaiseau, and all those from the Guichet in Saint-Rémy (EVAL and EVOL missions to Roissy, PCIL missions to Saint-Rémy);
    one way (morning) / one return (evening) Charles-de-Gaulle Airport 2 TGV - Massy-Palaiseau, serving all stations to Laplace then from Bourg-la-Reine to Massy - Palaiseau (EBRI and EBOI missions to Roissy, KUBE missions to Massy);
    one way (morning) / one return (evening) Mitry-Claye - Orsay-Ville, serving all stations to Cité Universitaire, then Laplace, Bagneux, Bourg-la-Reine, La Croix de Berny, Antony, and all those of Massy - Palaiseau in Orsay-Ville (IDUR and IDRE missions to Mitry, LALA missions to Orsay);
    one way (morning) / one return (evening) Mitry-Claye - Robinson, omnibus on the entire route (ILAN and ILOU missions to Mitry, SOSI and SORI missions to Robinson)
    Due to the implementation of the RER B Nord + offer, the Paris - Roissy and Paris - Mitry axes are served at the rate of one train every six minutes, or ten trains per hour. The Paris - Aulnay common trunk is therefore served at the rate of one train every three minutes, or twenty trains per hour, all trains serving all the stations along the route at least from or to Paris.

    In the morning from south to north and in the evening from north to south, the transport offer includes, every twelve minutes:

    one way (evening) / one return (morning) Charles-de-Gaulle Airport 2 TGV - Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse, serving all stations to Gentilly, then Arcueil-Cachan, Bourg-la-Reine, Antony, Les Baconnets, Massy-Palaiseau, and all those from Orsay-Ville to Saint-Rémy (EMAL and EMOI missions to Roissy, PAPO and PAKE missions to Saint-Rémy);
    one way (evening) / one return (morning) Charles-de-Gaulle Airport 2 TGV - Massy-Palaiseau, serving all stations to Laplace then all those from Bourg-la-Reine to Massy - Palaiseau (EBON missions and EBRE to Roissy, KUBY and KUNE missions to Massy);
    In the morning from south to north:
    a Robinson mission → La Plaine-Stade de France, omnibus on the entire route (QADO and QAPO missions);
    an Orsay-Ville → Mitry-Claye mission, serving all the stations as far as Massy - Palaiseau, then Antony, La Croix de Berny, Bourg-la-Reine, Bagneux, Laplace, and all those of Cité Universitaire in Mitry-Claye ( IDIL and IDOL missions);
    in the evening from north to south:
    a Mitry-Claye → Robinson mission, omnibus on the entire route (SOME and SOUS missions);
    a La Plaine-Stade de France mission → Orsay-Ville, serving all the stations as far as Cité Universitaire, then Laplace, Bagneux, Bourg-la-Reine, La Croix de Berny, Antony, and all those from Massy - Palaiseau to Orsay -City (LEVE and LEVI missions)

    Line B Map:

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    Rolling stock:

    With a view to the interconnection of the RATP and SNCF networks, the two operators had to think about the development of MI 79, for Interconnection Equipment 79, a new equipment capable of circulating at the same time, in the RATP zone under 1,500 V continuous and in the SNCF zone at 25,000 V single-phase 50 Hz (the current used on suburban SNCF lines departing from Gare du Nord, Est and Saint-Lazare). This equipment makes it possible to serve platforms of varying heights while being operated by only one agent, not having to worry about the voltage change, thanks to automatic switching. Today, the line is therefore covered by 119 MI 79 trainsets and also 73 MI 84 trainsets similar to the mi79 trainsets but inside done differently.
    From 2010 to 2015, the renovation of the 119 MI 79 trainsets
    MI 84 trainsets must be renovated between 2018 and 2021
    All trainsets can be coupled in multiple units of 8 cars with 2 Train of 4 cars. A renovated train has a capacity of 850 passengers per set, or 1,700 passengers for two éléments


    Composition of cars Mi79 and Mi84:
    M - R - R - M = ZBD - ZRB - ZRAB - ZBD
    M= Motor with driver's cab
    R= Trailer

    Mi79 outsider, insider and cab :
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    On the Line B, on the RATP and SNCF you have the KCVP. MI rolling stock is not equipped with KVB, it is necessary to watch the signals BEFORE crossing the yellow and flashing yellow signal. Once you are vigilant, the RS sound will sound once you have passed the signal and IF and ONLY IF, you have watched the signal before crossing it. If we do not watch BEFORE, we have an FU (emergency braking) and a sound (loud enough) which sounds until the train comes to a complete stop.

    There are also other measures such as, for example, if we watch a warning signal, we brake to reach 30 km / h as quickly as possible (the ADCs brake in "3/4" braking most of the time. ). Once at 30 km / h, we stay there until we have seen the appearance of the next signal: if it is at the warning, we resume walking with Vmax = 60 km / h and so on, we watch etc. ...; if it is on the clear track, we resume normal walking with the speed limit previously indicated by a TIV, or other ...

     
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  2. souleymane#2785

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    Mi84 old and refresh, outsider, insider and cab :

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    Mi84 old insider :
    Intérieur_MI84_(ZBD8373)_(3)_par_Cramos.JPG IMG_4159-1.jpg
    Mi84 no refresh:

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    Mi84 refresh:
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  3. souleymane#2785

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    Here are some videos of line B and the RER in the cabin, its surroundings. Good viewing.
    Massy-Palaiseau -> Aéroport Charles de Gaulle Terminal 1.

    Massy Palaiseau -> Paris Gare du Nord

    Aéroport Charles de Gaulle 2 TGV -> Robinson


    Mitry-Claye -> Robinson


    Saint-Rémy les Chevreuses -> Aéroport Charles de Gaulle terminal 2 TGV

     
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    More VACMA KVB action
     
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    Security system:

    On the Line B, on the RATP and SNCF you have the KCVP (continuous speed control) . MI rolling stock is not equipped with KVB, it is necessary to watch the signals BEFORE crossing the yellow and flashing yellow signal. Once you are vigilant, the RS sound will sound once you have passed the signal and IF and ONLY IF, you have watched the signal before crossing it. If we do not watch BEFORE, we have an FU (emergency braking) and a sound (loud enough) which sounds until the train comes to a complete stop.

    There are also other measures such as, for example, if we watch a warning signal, we brake to reach 30 km / h as quickly as possible (the ADCs brake in "3/4" braking most of the time. ). Once at 30 km / h, we stay there until we have seen the appearance of the next signal: if it is at the warning, we resume walking with Vmax = 60 km / h and so on, we watch etc. ...; if it is on the clear track, we resume normal walking with the speed limit previously indicated by a TIV, or other ...
    Rolling stock is also equipped with the VACMA, whether at the pedal and the watch on the manipulator.

    KCVP system :

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    RER Line A and B dosen't have the KVB they have the KCVP. You can watch the description under. But they have VACMA
     
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    Here are some videos showing you the announcements in the Paris metro pickpockets, preventive measures for travelers etc. Good viewing.

     
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    Here are 2 photos taken by me at Massy Palaiseau. A renovated mi84 and the RER signage similar to the TGV Méditerranée on TSW 2. The signage is RATP but is similar to that of the SNCF.
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    I want to see more French routes!
     
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    It's the same for me, the best for me would be the metro line 6.13, as well as the RER A and B knowing that the RER have SNCF signaling and regulations like the Mediterranean TGV on TSW in Marseille. please can you let a like and vote please for move forward and encourage suggestions for rer a, b and metro 6 and 13. thank you:)
     
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    Here is a presentation of the sncf railway signaling for RER and other lines. Good viewing :) DTG Natster



    The signals consist of panels (targets) with a black background and a white border bearing several lights. The main indications encountered in BAL are the following:

    a green light: Voie Libre. The driver is authorized to circulate in normal mode, if nothing is opposed to it.
    a yellow light: warning. The driver must be able to stop at the next stop signal or knocker.
    a red light: semaphore. The driver must stop before the signal and can then cross it after identifying the signal if there is a BAL signal (presence of the eyecup if signal with Nf plate or presence of an F plate). In BM (Block Manual), the mechanic cannot cross the signal on his own.
    The semaphore - cantonment or block signal - can possibly be crossed after the stop under certain conditions applicable according to:

    the type of plate associated with the signal (BM, PR, F, or Nf);
    the rules specific to the line.
    It is presented in the form of a red light (in light signaling).

    Its meaning should not be confused with that of the square.

    The square - protection signal - is impassable, without order, It is presented in the form of two red lights, aligned vertically or horizontally (in light signaling).

    Since the square must not be crossed, the panels that can display the square have an Nf (non-passable) plate, and a small white light - the crossing eyepiece, which lights up when the signal displays a semaphore. , and this to confirm to the driver that it is not a square with an out of service light, but a semaphore (a single red light). Thus, to simplify, the eyecup is on if the signal is passable (i.e. different from a square). On the top image, there is a crossing eyecup while it is a semaphore panel.

    Below, we can observe the classic signaling sequence of Block Automatic Luminous.
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    Fixed signage sign: jdavison#3053
    - These tables (of the Speedometer Table or TIV type) announce a speed limit. They can be fixed or mobile, luminous or formerly mechanical.
    When fixed, they announce a Z sign.

    When they are mobile, they announce a luminous or formerly mechanical reminder TIV with white numbers on a black background.

    When open, mobile TIVs show a vertical white luminous or reflectorized stripe. The diamond-shaped TIV indicates a top speed drop of 40 km / h. This is equipped for the repetition of signals in the driver's cab, thanks to a crocodile in the SNCF zone and RPS (Punctual Repetition of the Semaphore) beacon in the RATP zone placed on the track. It can also be used when two speed restrictions are successive and can announce the first or the second restriction.

    200px-TIV_Distance_Crocodile_40.svg.png 200px-TIV_Distance_80.svg.png


    - This sign indicates entry into a limited speed zone (Action Zone).
    200px-Tableau_Z.svg.png


    - This sign indicates the exit of a zone with limited speed (Resumption of speed).
    200px-Tableau_R.svg.png


    - This table (which can be a sign) indicates that the train is directed towards a service track (Garage).
    Tableau_G.svg.png
     
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    This table (which can be a sign) indicates that the train is headed for a Depot.


    Tableau_D.svg.png
    This sign indicates a point not to be exceeded when performing a maneuver (Maneuver Limit).

    Tableau_LM.svg.png
     
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    Here are some spots on the RER B. And some videos during rush hour, with snow. Good viewing ;)

    Special feature at Châtelet les Halles station.
    The RER A platforms are shared with the RER B.
    That is to say that the 2 lines meet face to face.
    - On the RER A in the direction of Marne la Vallée Chessy Disneyland and Boissy-Saint-Léger, and the platform is opposite the RER B in the direction of Saint Rémy les Chevreuse and Robinson.
    - While on the RER A towards Saint Germain en Laye, Poissy and Cergy Le haut, and the quay opposite the RER B towards Aéroport Charles de Gaulle 2 TGV and Mitry-Claye






     
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    Sectioning area:

    In the RER B sncf zone, there are several sectioning zones, in the inter-station of La Courneuve-Aubervilliers and Le Bourget, the inter-station of Aulnay sous Bois in Sevran-Livry in the Mitry-Claye branch. When crossing these disconnection zones, drivers must apply the procedure to lower the pantograph
    and open the train circuit breakers manually until the end of the disconnection zone Particularity: Between the Châtelet les Halles inter-station at Gare du Nord, the catenary voltage goes from 1500 V direct (RATP) to 25,000 V alternative (SNCF) this section is applied automatically without the driver having to open the circuit breaker and lower the pantograph manually.

    Explanation (DTG Natster ):
    A disconnection zone, or neutral zone, is a section of railroad whose catenary is not supplied, for electrical reasons.

    220px-Zone_de_sectionnement_ligne_de_Vichy_à_Riom_2016-05-06.jpeg

    An electrified railway line is cut into a multitude of supply sections, where independent substations supply the catenary. Therefore, the power supply is not the same throughout this line. Generally speaking, this ensures greater operating reliability. For historical reasons, an electrified railway can also have several types of electrical supply (in France, more generally 25,000 V alternating and 1,500 V direct).

    The disconnection zones are arranged between two successive catenaries, supplied with different electrification, so that it is necessary to cut the power supply in the motor using a circuit breaker, so as not to produce electric arcs when crossing the next section. It is on its momentum that the train passes from one powered catenary to another: the "walking on the wander".

    Signaling of isolation:

    For low-speed trains, special signage indicates to the driver that he must carry out the sectioning.

    Sectionnement.png : Mark of sectioning in 500 meters

    DebCC.png : Start of sectioning

    FinCC.png Pancarte_sectionnement_REV.svg.png : End of sectioning


    First, the train driver must open the circuit breaker at the entrance to the area. Once the train, propelled by its kinetic energy, has passed the disconnection zone, the driver manually closes the circuit breaker to restore power to the train.

    During isolation, batteries power the train functions and also provide reduced lighting so as not to disturb passenger comfort. These batteries are generally not able to supply the traction current to the engines of the locomotive pulling the train or of the railcars which compose it.

    If a train is traveling at too low a speed and its power supply must be cut off, it may remain blocked in the disconnection zone


     
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    DTG Natster Here is a video showing the operation of the "lower pantograph" at Gare du Nord during the change of RATP / SNCF regulations in the Line B . Good viewing everyone :)
     
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    Enough thread bumping. One post was enough. Slowly bumping your thread day after day with small amounts of additional information is still bumping and is unnecessary.
     
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