Frustration Because Of The 193

And yes, in advance, it just frustrates me to pay money for something that doesn't work,

And yes i still Use the PlayStation 5

I don't know if I'm the only one here who still has massive problems with the 193 (vectron) when will there finally be an update for the vehicle?

Brakes are far too weak

DOSTO and ic wagons don't get electricity

Yesterday, during a few other tests, the whole locomotive wobbled for no reason

Here is a small video about the important problems of the locomotive
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weak brakes is a known issue and realistic, use the direct brake for light loco runs etc.
that other cars don't get electricity must be a joke because if they don't then the doors shouldn't work.

 

The brakes are pretty realistic. It's rather the fact that everything else in TSW brakes far too god.
And regarding power to the cars; I don't have that problem. You tried turning on the Zugsammelschiene? Or rather "starting" it? It is basically the power cutoff for the cars.

 

The 182 triggers dynamic AND pneumatic brakes, the 193 only the dynamic brake (watch the BC dial). For whatever reason IDK but anyway I don´t think you can compare this.

 

I use the Zugsammelschiene in the wagons as with all other locomotives, but it doesn't work no matter which passenger car

 

Yes, sorry, the 182 should serve as a reasonably good example, but unfortunately I forgot that it has a different brake system

 

No, unfortunately that's no joke, I showed it extra in the video, unfortunately I don't know exactly what's going on there and well, I could try to brake directly, thank you.

 

Maybe useful to consult these tutorials:
Vectron - Advanced Features

 

Thx mate i try it

 

Well, yes, a little better than before, thank you

 

"Brakes are far too weak"

Compared to what? To me the vectron feels very realistic to drive. All brake mods are there, direct brake works too...

Not sure from which technical comparison you take your point

 

a car

 

Compared to the real 193, the one in tsw4 does not work realistically at all...

 

well do you know how it works irl?

 

The lights do work on the Dosto's, you just need to press these lights instead of the upper ones.

 

Yeah, another thing is with not the sounds themself, but speed of sounds during acceleration. Sound should progress faster than it actually does in the game. You can compare loco from game to this video, with acceleration of light engine:

 

A Little bit

 

Yea and This dont work

 

DTG Apparently still has a lot to fix

 

I’m sorry OP, but you’re wrong. The Vectron in TSW4 is very accurately modeled and very realistically simulated. I think your expectations are simply wrong.

 

Agreed, the "frustration" is due to wrong expectations based on simplified brake models in other TSW locomotives. Be assured that the Vectron is one of the most accurately simulated locos in TSW.

Will replicate a TSW Vectron consist and will time a 4.7 / 4.0 / 3.5 bar braking application from 100 km/h in Zusi 3 (which can be considered prototypical).

Also, as being said, use direct and electric braking when running light engine, the train brake applies slower because it works by lowering the pressure in the HLL whereas the loco brake directly fills the brake cylinders with air.

 

unless your on Xbox.. and the cab flickers the whole way…

 

But the physics should be the same across platforms.

 

I believe they are, though haven’t been able to use the loco much due to the other issue.

they have a slower reaction time generally, as intended to be realistic.

 

Through years DTG distotred to many locos. Now people are very settled to childish physic and simplicity... Word SIM(ulation) was the least important for DTG and the effects are as such.

 

Unfortunately not.. the locomotive visits too long to brake and accelerate

 

Are you a driver? Have you been? Have you been around these locos irl or are going based off of how you think it should work?

 

Come down…….Yea i Know This Train i live in Germany

 

Living in Germany and seeing this locomotive doesn’t means you know it well. The 193 is very realistic it doesn’t behave like an EMU or a set of ICE1.

 

This is probably gonna end up the same way as a recently locked thread. Facts resistance plus Dunning-Kruger effect...

 

It’s becoming a habit, the only thing new is that it doesn’t just happens on the weekends.

 

I live in England and work with 158s 170s and 155s and the occasional 150/2. Doesn't mean I know how they work.

 

So that's why I'm probably only talking here with a wall here

I've dealt with the 193 often enough

But you don't listen to me....

Of course, so far everything is right with this thing

But

The on-board electronics for passenger cars do not work

The vehicle takes far too long to get to 100
The vehicle brakes like an ice (here without (too long brake away for a locomotive without wagons)
The thing has a too long brake away, which should not be the case with a single locomotive, clearly my example with the 182 true wrong, I noticed it too late, just happen

The locomotive has no hazard warning lights, which is wrong, so this vehicle has something like that in real life (against an error for realism)

And yes, sometimes the sound is not quite original

 

Warning lights are locked by software. It depends on the country it runs. For the sounds, sorry but are we talking about the same 193 ? If it’s taking ages to reach 100 kph like you said, it depends on the weight behind it, of course it won’t reach that speed that quick with 5 or 40 wagons.

 

It may be that the real lights are blocked by the software, but there are some modules here in Germany that can do that
For example

The vectron of flixtrain

And yes, because of the speed, I made a mistake

I meant there is a small delay when you record speed (this was measured without wagons)

With wagons yes, that can take time depending on the wagons, whether goods or people)
Not my Video
(https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJw1EAJ3/)

 

This Vectron isn't the Flixtrain version though. This is the Railpool version that is modeled.

 

Yea, but both trains are built for border trips

 

And train braking performance (brake hundredth) depends largely on the train itself, not the loco.

 

Yup and on the weight of the load but a locomotive without wagons does not have such a braking distance as the 193 in Train sim World

 

Are you using the “locomotive brake” or the “train brake” ? Because it works perfectly fine for me while using the loc one.

 

So at the last test, all three were tested

But otherwise I use combi levers out of habit

 

We need numbers. I will perform a Schnellbremsung in a light Vectron from 100 km/h on a straight even track in Zusi 3 and give you the time from moving the handle till halt.

 

Do that I'm also about to repeat the tests but I'll say so much I've found another mistake....

 

After new Test
The following errors are still present

Electricity for the dosto wagons and ic wagons

In the last test, the dosto wagons were

Of the 143 taken in the new test, the dostos wagons were taken of the 182

In a new test, even goods wagons were used this time, all tests are so far
Good only, well, that the people dare have no electricity, which surprises me, so this worked out with a car

I have changed the following
This has been tested (deeds)

E braking force of 150kN was set to 240 came

Traction force 300kN

Brake type R

Successful train slows down harder than expected

(Double-decker car/ic)

E braking force of 150kN was set to 240 came

Traction force 200kN

Brake type R

Successful train slows down strongly

(Supplement)

Unfortunately, I'm only seeing this now

The Thundnail of the 193 is simply the 182

2. I just noticed by chance that the DB 187 has the same braking behavior as the 193 or am I wrong?

 

Most of your criticism has been brought up earlier and I already responded to it (in the Vectron Advanced Features thread and the Feedback thread). The physics and simulations were ~ 95% based on either recordings of the real locomotive (with debug screens or gauges visible), input from drivers on the actual locomotive or the manuals of the locomotive. The remaining ~ 5% of design decisions I made were educated guesses mostly taken from the way the BR182 acts (i.e. if I didn't have data for a specific behaviour for the Vectron I used data from the BR182 which included recordings of debug screens/gauges or manuals). Note: the things you brought up are in the "95 %" group.

Simply put you are in disagreement with the official Siemens (or DB) manuals for the locomotive or experience from drivers of the locomotive, or literal recordings of the effort or brake cylinder pressure or other gauges. I cannot conclude that you are 100% confirmed wrong, but all my data points toward that.

Here is what the manual states about ED (electrodynamic) brake effort for light trains or single locomotives:

"Die ED-Bremskraft wird bei Regulierbremsungen so begrenzt, dass mit allein fahrender Lokomotive oder kurzen Zügen keine zu hohen Verzögerungen erreicht werden.

Diese Funktion erfüllt die Vorgaben der Behörden, mit der Betriebsbremse keine höheren Verzögerungen zuzulassen als bei Schnellbremsung erzielt werden können. Solange die Verzögerung des Zuges im Normalbereich bleibt, kann die maximale ED-Bremskraft der Lokomotive ohne Begrenzung der Haftwertausnutzung zwischen Rad und Schiene für Regulierbremsungen genutzt werden. Der Normalbereich der Verzögerungen ist wie folgt definiert:
Bremsstellung G/P: 0,6 m/s²
Bremsstellung R: 0,9 m/s²"

This is implemented in the simulator.

You are wrong. I made the Simugraph blueprint for the Vectron from scratch since I knew that there were so many special behaviours that I'd need to implement (different traction/brake curves for each voltage system or country selection, traction motors shutting off due to low demand, the WSP etc etc) and this was easier/less likely to bloat the blueprint. Any similarities are coincidental (other than the fact that they are both German locomotives etc).

 

Hm ok
Good, yes, mistakes of my side, but unfortunately it doesn't change anything that there are unfortunately still errors, as mentioned above, more times with the electricity supply

 

I live in the UK so I know the 66 but that doesn't mean I have any idea if any of the models we have in game are comparable to the real thing!