Gbrf Class 99

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  1. 749006

    749006 Well-Known Member

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    GBRf 99002 has been presented by Stadler at Innotrans in Berlin

    It is similar to the Eurodual Co-Co locos working in Europe but to UK Loading Gauge
    This loco is Blue on one side and Black on the other.

    Hopefully somebody will build this loco for TSC

    99002 a.jpg

    99002 b.jpg
     
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  2. atomicdanny

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    I guess must be something with the light but why the colour difference between the two pics?
     
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    That is one good looking beast!
     
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    One side is painted Blue and the other Black - maybe to judge peoples reaction
     
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    Ah fair - that wasn't so clear in the pics so thanks for that :)
     
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    That looks like an absolute beast, the 93 looks like a "type 2" by comparison.
     
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    Different types of loco.
    The 88 & 93 and both 100mph Electric locos that have the ability to work away from the wires with limited power.
    The 99 is a true Duel power loco with the same output as a 66 on Diesel and 8000 hp on Electric with a max speed of 120kph
     
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    According to Wikipedia the Class 99 has greater tractive effort than the Eurotunnel Class 9 on electric and even a Class 60 on diesel, two classes I like to call the 'destroyer of worlds' because of their power. The 99s are a serious bit of kit.

    That said, they're not as powerful as the other Class 99, of which 99001 has 24,500hp. Then again, 99001 is a ship formerly called the MS Nord Pas-de-Calais.

    I assume that someone will make a GBRF reskin for the existing EuroDual in TS as a stop gap until we get a proper 99. Hopefully they'll do a 93 at the same time.
     
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    That's one strikingly handsome loco.

    Wish we had stuff like that over here in Australia.
     
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    Don't be so harsh, there are some really cool locos you have in Australia like the NSW 81, the ANs and the C44aci.
     
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    From what I can see, the diesel prime mover fitted is a Cummins QSK50, so wonder what it will sound like? probably silenced to hell and back though.
     
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    The RSSLO Eurodual is rather poorly made/scripted - not sure of the correct term
    When you set up a train there needs to be the Diesel Cube added to the loco between it and the first vehicle.
    And it means you can only couple stock at one end of the loco. Forget about running round the train.

    Compare that with the MKS Class 73 which happily runs on Diesel or Electric (you can run it on Electric anywhere because the loco is set up as a Diesel.)
     
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    I did not know that. It is a weird way to have it set up. It would have been less weird to force them to use only diesel or only electric, but it still wouldn't be ideal.
     
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    Copy and pasting yet another Clyde design will do for Queensland. ;)
    I cannot deny though the newer Clydes 2700 & 2900 Classes are nice to look at since they're so new despite being of a design that has existed and been constantly re-used since the 1990s.
     
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    To be fair, it would be nice to see something like this on the North Coast line - at least the overhead would get more use compared to now with the 2 daily return tilt train services.

    Could run the spirit of the outback all the way to longreach without changing locomotives. Same with the westlander.
     
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    I expect that someone will make reskins for both the Class 93 and 99 in the near future, so I'll keep an eye on that page.
     
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    What will the reskin of the 93 be based on?
    There is no Eurodual Light loco in TSC
     
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    Do me a little favour Peter, could you explain what co-co and bo-bo are? I've heard the terms many times but never figured what it actually means.
     
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    I mean true - but it is a "Euro Dual" :), i mean I made the 166 look like a 465 when rail simulator first came out (in Southeastern colours :) )
     
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    Anyone who tries to drive it will notice the European controls and safety systems a lot sooner than they will notice the bogies.

    The suggestion is not to make a realistic Class 93/99 using the existing EuroDuals, but to make an 'it'll do' reskin to use as AI until proper Class 93s and 99s come along.
     
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    ABC is similar to steam notation except it means driven axles, 123 respectively. A1A is a tri-axle with the middle wheel not driven. So a 4-8-8-4 steam is 2DD2. (Hence the EMD DD35, DD40. Not the GG1, though. :D)
    B vs Bo is individual vs shared drive. Typically you would have BoBo with diesel-mechanic or hydraulic drives, although being cogwheels you could have it with pure electrics. Regardless, it's fairly common with shunters in my country.
    There are additional elements like apostrophe and parentheses, to clarify. AA is a fairly obvious railbus but A1 could be a gondola-like loco but also a railbus. A-1 tries to clarify that they are separate bogies.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, not sure I'm any closer to understanding it yet though.
     
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    Thanks Steve, got it now, sorry for being too lazy to look it up myself..

     
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    Sorry for no reply - not been on the forums since yesterday
    Steve gave a good reply though. :)
     
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    But the 166 does look something like a 365/465/466 - apart from the Length

    I still think there are too many differences between a 93 and a 259

    93002.jpg

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    Although a passable GBRf class 99 might be possible

    Peter
     
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    The extra axle kills it for me; it's not something easily overlooked.
     
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    I can tell
    The UK Eurodual - Class 93 + 99 have to fit to a different loading gauge hence the different front on the locos and bodywork
    But the two locos are of different sizes - the 93 Bo-Bo is about the same as a 68.
    The 159 Co-Co is longer, taller and wider than a UK loco
    Screenshot_1 - Test Centre_51.11661-6.22335_12-00-47.jpg
     
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    Thank you for being patronising.
     
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    Thank you for reposting my post #29 for no real reason
     

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