I'm a newcomer to TS (just downloaded it three days ago), and have been feeling my way around. I can drive the various locos, but seem to have hit a brick wall with the Class 37 diesel: both an AP and another version. No matter what I do, I just can't seem to get it to move, or even the revs to increase. I've looked at the manual, but no luck. I'm presuming I'm missing something, since it's all versions of the 37 I've tried - any help gratefully appreciated!
Did you read the manual? *YOUR DRIVE LETTER (Typically default C)*:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Manuals\EN\Armstrong Powerhouse
You really need to read the manuals for each vehicle, especially the Armstrong Powerhouse stuff. AP Class 37 manual is at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\RailWorks\Manuals\EN\Armstrong Powerhouse\Class 37 Locomotive Pack Vol 1 (or vol 2 if you have it) The original Kuju 37 doesn't really need a manual, as it's rubbish... Move reverser into forward (W)... release brakes ( ; )... increase throttle (A).. that's it. There's not even a master key to turn in most iterations of it. I'm not sure what other versions there are. There was a "cut down" version of the AP 37 as part of the "Wherry Lines" route though... again, read the manual that came with the route if that's the one you are referring to. If you HAVE read the manual thoroughly and you still can't get it to work... As ntypeman said, letting us know specifically which 37, on which route, and if anything other than quick drive, which scenario, would help people pinpoint the issue.
Thanks everyone for taking the time and trouble to reply. I've installed a few new routes thanks to the Xmas discounts, and now have following 37s listed: Class 37 Class 37/4 Large Loco AP Class 37 Class 37/4 DRS (APWL) I've tried them all on a few routes, and find the following results: Class 37 (the default one?) works fine on any route with the usual adjustments of reverser, brake and throttle Class 37/4 Large Loco works just the same - no issues at all This is weird, because none of them seemed to work the first time. Oh, well! Now to... 3. AP Class 37 I reread the manual for the AP Class 37, and followed the list of commands there and it seems to be working - maybe Shift+W for the master key did the trick (but it seemed the engine was already running, exhaust was being emitted), and once the brake was reduced to 20%, the amps increased and I could change the reverser and move off). It takes a little bit of practice to get it all right, but think I have the hang of that now! So that leaves: 4. Class 37/4 DRS (APWL) There's no response at all with the usual control movements - or the AP version keys. Can't find a manual for it, and work out if it came with a loco pack or a route. This is the only one that now doesn't work. I can't see the cab controls to look for a master switch thanks to the HUD - is there a way to see, for example, the side switches for lights on the AP 37 that I've seen in video reviews, but can't seem to access in mine (arrow keys just change seat or show behind). Thanks again, all, for your patience!
You're not reading the manual Press Y to switch off DRA. Page 11 in the Wherry Lines manual. Additional keyboard controls are listed below: Y - DRA (Driver Reminder Appliance) ON/OFF (this must be OFF (unlit) before the loco can take power)
It will always be running unless the scenario was created to take advantage of the AP cold start feature, which can only be used as part of a scenario. Switching the engine on and off will merely stop and start the engine. There is an entirely different set of procedures for a cold start... again, you need to read the manual, but unless you run a scenario that takes advantage of that feature (or you create on yourself) you'll not need it.
I believe that on these locos (any loco in TSx from what I've seen) you can start the engine without activating the cab, and the master key (normally shift W) activates the cab rather than turning the unit on, which is why you can start the engine in either cab (not sure that's right IRL, but there ya go) but only the cab with the master switch set to active will work
Thanks - for some reason it just didn't occur to me that "APWL" stood for "AP Wherry Lines"! Didn't make the connection....
Cheers, I hadn't picked up on the fact that the master key wasn't an engine starter. Do you happen to know which scenarios feature a 37 cold start?
Some of the ones that come with the Class 37 Pack Vol.1 do... can't remember which now. There's a video of the cold start that someone did here... I think there's one on the AP website too. They got the sounds just right.
Don't know if I could've helped... I too have bought Wherry Lines albeit the Steam version rather than from AP direct... The steam version was slightly cheaper (the skinflint I am... )... Eric
Was trying the 37 again after a few days with the 205, and came grief with the Ctrl N to change AWS ends. I couldn’t cancel the warning, whether by pressing the cab button, Q, or the icon on the HUD. So the only way to silence the alarm was to press Ctrl N again: resulting in a static loco again. Then I discovered that you need to press and hold the reset button for a second or two, to cancel the alarm. All well again!
I don't have to do that. Just a single press does it here. You sure your machine isn't lagging? I don't mean frame rate.. I mean lag between inputs and actions.
Been having difficulty getting my 37 with half a dozen coaches out of Glasgow Queen Street bound for Edinburgh. There’s a bit on an incline and it accelerates very slowly indeed, taking a few minutes to get past 5mph. I presume this is normal? I learned not to push the throttle up too soon and overpower the motors: slowly but surely I build up speed. There’s a red signal in the tunnel, though, and if I stop, I struggle to get moving forwards again: whether I stick to a low throttle setting, or try to increase it quickly, the train tends to just roll back. What’s the knack to getting a 37 moving on an incline?
I'll assume a Armstrong Powerhouse 37. 45% throttle, and immediately hit X to apply sanding. As the train moves away, SLOWLY increase throttle. As speed builds, slowly increase further... watch for wheel slip... if it happens, back off a bit, and apply again. You'll struggle to apply more than 70% or so. Once around 15mph, you can try to stop sanding... but be ready to apply it again quickly if you get wheelslip. I tried in Autumn. In winter, you may need less throttle, and more sanding... in Summer less.
2 seconds is a bit extreme but it's how it is for me, too. Pushing the buttons momentarily doesn't always help, despite the clicking sound. I think there is an internal simulation that checks button state for being down, every now and then. Thing is, when the alerter comes on, there is a tendency for a short stutter. I guess it's Murphy, but very often tiles load when the alerters come on. Maybe the alerter sound has an effect on it. (Just like how pressing an external camera has a super high chance to trigger safety systems, too.) Hence I have to hold it, too, as I get 2-5 fps for a second and it also pauses state checks. Not just the alerter, it can also cause funsies with throttle, brakes, all that. Severity depends on the route, but old routes tend to have no alerter, so the issue is exponentially visible.
Reading the manual for the 37, it says the HUD display shows an AWS warning straight away, but the 37 scripting delays it a second or so to be more realistic, so presumably cancelling will only work after the 37’s own warning. Likely this might apply to other trains you are driving? in my own case, it only happened on my laptop, and was evidently a computer issue.
Thanks for this. Appreciate you taking the time to make the video. I’ll follow your guidance and will see how I get on. Think part of my problem was being overly ambitious for the AP 37’s load: I had ten coaches. If I reduce it to six, no problem. (For some reason, the tab key doesn’t tend to work for me at that red light, but that’s another matter!) A question though: when you start accelerating after stopping at the red light, you quickly move up to full throttle, putting the amps well over 2k for a sustained period. My 37s are set to that it cuts out very quickly if I push over 2k A. If ten coaches for one 37 are feasible, I wonder what the technique is to accelerate without overloading the amps? Is there a ‘ready reckoner’ somewhere with a list of locomotive class and how many coaches are the max? I thought 10 was possible for one 37, but it’s likely more my newbie driving skills! I tried this set off with the 40 too, and have learned to be careful with not keeping the throttle at max too long, even with amps well below the danger zone, as I was breezing through the country and the engine overheated (there’s an engine temp gauge on the panel).
To prevent overheating on the AP40 you can open and close the louvre vents using the up & down arrows on the Number pad. But even then, keep an eye on the Temp gauge and reduce throttle if the temperature gets high.
Thanks. The vents were open, but I failed to keep an eye on the temp gauge. Learned the hard way, and won’t do that again! My first attempt I burned out a traction motor. Just as well it’s a simulator!
No, my case is a performance issue. When everything is fine, the alerter goes away instantly. NJCL, Köln-Koblenz, that kind of relatively demanding stuff. I don't deal with 3rd party stuff, partly because Steam delivery is supreme and also because I have a lot of stuff. One could argue, play quality instead of free LOVE quantity (I did that shift with music), but I don't mind simple trains, I'm in it for the views. -- As for your Class 37 questions, I'm not expert but it depends on the ruling grade. Wikipedia should help with the numbers. The 37 is a fairly weak loco, and medium geared. About 1750 horses, same as a GP9/SD9, although due to different gearing EMD pulls better but loses out on top speed - designed for mountains and all. I experimented due to the mentioned Woodhead scenario. The 37 pulls at cap until about 15 mph. Using 25% throttle in the Kuju version roughly matches the first weak field at 23 mph, where it goes down to about 650 Amps. (Or is it 550. I never know between 25, 31, 37 and 47. No matter. 25%.) For comparison's sake, I've found that sim consists use 1 CP ES44AC for 20 freight cars on CMP. As far as weight goes, I suppose 1 coach is about 2 freight cars, give or take. An ES44AC is worth 2.5 Class 37s. Typical photographs show 1 F7 (about the same bhp) per 2 coaches, although the grades are steeper, cars heavier and it was the era of shrinking consists. On Castle Rock (ruling grade 1%) I used an A-B set of F7 to handle about 10 US coaches. (Or a single P30CH.) You could simply load one of your Edinburgh-Glasgow free roams and experiment with the Class 37 sets available. (There is one in Edinburgh and a duo just outside Haymarket.) Those are the Kuju ones and their performance shouldn't be galaxies away from the AP version, so it should be at least a worthwile experiment / study. (Alternatively, there is one included with the old Portsmouth line as well, scenario included.)
Yeah, a single 37 with 10 coaches trying to start on a 1:50 would be a bit tough I don't think I used full throttle... it was around 70%. It would have just spun it's wheels at 100% on that gradient with that train. It briefly went up to around 2.6K but settled back to around 2.4 until started to make some headway, then quickly dropped. That shouldn't be a problem. Starting that on a 1:50 incline would be a nightmare.. besides... it wouldn't fit on the platform at Queen Street Normally, it would be OK, but 1:50 is a serious grade.
Yes, the 37 was virtually at the tunnel mouth! I was just experimenting really, still at the stage of just getting the hang of driving. I tried the 37 again, with the ten coaches. I can get going from the station, but once I stop in the tunnel at the light, it proves impossible to get going forward again, I just slide back. If I increase the throttle, the amps max out in seconds and the engine cuts out. I can manage to get the ten coaches moving again with the 40, but not the 37. I guess it’s just too much of an incline for one 37 plus ten coaches.... I think the tab / SPAD issue was because it’s so dark in the tunnel I didn’t realise the red I saw was for a line on my left, and there was a green on the right of my track.
As mentioned, part of the issue restarting in the tunnel was the generator protection cutout at over 2k A, which is a feature of the unrefurbished 37s of the AP Vol 2 pack. Trying it with a different 37, I can manage with difficulty to get going, at a low acceleration.
Btw, pookey, I like your AWS icon on your HUD. Where did you get that? Much nicer than the default “!”.
Yes, so long as you keep your old texture files by renaming them before you install the new ones. It explains it in the ReadMe if I recall.
