Good News - Blackpool North & South to Preston and Ormskirk is coming from Just Trains Bad News - its for TSW4 You can still drive the Blackpool line in TSC by getting the route from AHS.
And they were hyping this up on their monthly roadmaps as coming for TSW3 which has only been out a year. For those of us who play TSW, we are expected to pay for new stuff which was promised before and once again, support for the previous title will no longer exist. We have been waiting for fixes to routes since TSW2 and in some cases TSW3 made the routes even worse.
You either buy a complete route, or download a free route and maybe have to buy some requirements. If you have been playing the game for quite a while you tend to have most of the requirements anyway. The choice of what you buy is always yours.
I think the chap that made the Blackpool Line for OTS has done the new version for TSW4 A downside is the extra requirements in this new payware route to run the extra scenarios But that is the same with most JT Routes Don't forget you also need the base game which is released next month.
Well... I'll take a look at it before I decide anything. I don't really want TSW just for one route, and unless TSW4 brings something phenomenal to the table, I won't be bothering. I have both versions of Northern Lines by OTS, so not like I'm without the route.
Just Trains Blackpool-Preston for TSW4 https://www.justtrains.net/in-development/tsw-blackpool-preston-ormskirk-route-addon It honestly looks quite good as far as TSW content goes
Save your money, the alleged "Something phenomenal" is editing tools through Unreal Engine (a separate download from Epic Game Launcher) which is great yeah, everyone wanted an editor in TSWurl... Right? Yeah well you can't use any assets from any other routes you must create your own apparently, so trees, houses, track linked objects??? Who knows what that means because DTG are their usual cryptic selves apart from emphasizing "by creating your own assets" whenever they mentioned using the editor.. Disclaimer: This is from what I picked up third hand from catching some of Alans stream last night I haven't watched the "Launch" stream/video myself and have no real intention to at this point in time.. Feel free to correct anything I've said but it certainly seems this way from last nights discussion..
Well, for me, phenomenal means the ability for third parties to easily create assets, and for end users to reskin, retexture etc. Route building... basically... everything you can do with TSC now. If that doesn't happen, then I'm completely uninterested.
This route looks absolutely stunning and I love this route how it looks. It's for me a good choice to have it in TSW4 with the better options that comes with TSW4. The new fog system is for a route like this a good new future
Does that mean trains as well? Surely not... Then what would be the point? So I can't use a class 40 in it, despite them being regularly seen on this route in this time period? Will you be able to make your own scenarios? Sorry, not really paid much attention since TSW1, which I played for a couple of weeks, then uninstalled when I realised there was literally no means of doing anything except play the few scenarios it came with, and couldn't be customised. Making this route, in this time period, and not making a class 104 for it is silly as well, because literally 7 out of 10 trains on this route in the BR blue period was a class 104. You didn't really see many 101s but I bet that's the only DMU you get... it always is. Says on the website... "Northern TransPennine: Manchester - Leeds Route Add-On for the Class 45 "Peak" Diesel locomotive." You hardly ever saw Peaks on this route in this time period. You really need a class 40 in it. There were really common on this route right up until they were withdrawn, then you started to see 31s and 37s in the Regional Rail period of the later 80s and early 90s. The 47 is correct however.. they regular daily visitors. I wonder if they got the inside of Blackpool North correct as well. It was very different in the 70s and 80s. It was very austere indeed. Ahhh.... I remember that rubber tiled floor so well
You can use other Locos and Stock on any route in TSW. The Just Trains website mentions to run extra scenarios you need other stock "Compatible add-ons that can be used with the route as of 21st August 2023: If you have any of the below add-ons in your library, the Blackpool-Preston-Ormskirk route timetable will call on the appropriate Locomotives and rolling stock from these to allow you to enjoy a fuller timetable experience. Note! These are not required for Blackpool-Preston-Ormskirk to operate, they are optional add-ons that if you own them will give you a more authentic experience: Tees Valley Line: Darlington - Saltburn-by-the-Sea Route Add-On for the Class 101 DMU and PCA and HEA wagons. West Cornwall Local: Penzance - St Austell & St Ives Route Add-On for the Seacow and Turbot wagons. Northern TransPennine: Manchester - Leeds Route Add-On for the Class 45 "Peak" Diesel locomotive. Spirit of Steam: Liverpool Lime Street - Crewe Route Add-On for the LMS Stanier 8F Steam locomotive, Mk1 Coaches, 16t Mineral Wagon and 20t Brake van. BR Heavy Freight Pack Add-On for the Class 40 Diesel locomotive. BR Class 31 Loco Add-On. BR Class 20 'Chopper' Loco Add-On."
Note I said "Assets" not "Rolling Stock" if you are a map builder/enhancer then you'll need to make your own assets, you will not be allowed to use assets from any other route within TSW4 (as far as we can make out). Whilst that may not effect your needs for the game directly it will effect everyone indirectly as you will not ever see the level of freeware routes, extensions, enhancements and corrections that you rely on throughout the TSC world. I'm not even getting into branding, someone else can dive into that quagmire..
From what I can gather, we can use any asset from any TSW route that we own. I guess for the older routes (TSW1,2,3 etc), once they are ported over from your collection to TSW4 (which should be automatic once TSW4 is installed), we can use those assets as well as those in the new TSW4 routes. But yes, we definitely should have plenty of assets available.
Ok cool, I may be wrong then, though that seems in direct conflict of this (not embedded YouTube video as embedding only plays from start not from timestamp) >> Click Me (watch till at least 5mins 30sec)
We will see on release what this editor can do.... I have preorderd TSW 4 Deluxe, because I´m glad to see it finally moving in the right direction. I want to give the JT route a spin (when it´s released) and mess around with the new editor or even just download edited stuff from other users on creators club. TSC ist still king for me, because I´m building a route on it.
I don't think cooked (packed) assets can be added to new routes you are making. One of the reasons for that is that DTG doesn't create all the assets themself. Some of the assets are made by other developers and can have been bought from places like UE Marketplace. When you buy such assets you can't share them with other devs. The good news is that you can buy lots of UE ready assets so you don't need to spend time 3d modelling generic stuff. Also you can use and include everything from Megascans for free, even in commercial projects. Take a look at all the free stuff that can be found at the marketplace. Megascans on UE Marketplace Hopefully the release of TSW SKD will include some example files and documentation on how to make the basic stuff like tracks and catenary system.
You can use it, but can you publish it? Or will it be like today, that the routes you have taken assets from will be required to buy/download and the assets won't be packed... Many questions
So TSW4 will be just as awful as the last lot then. Oh well. I was shocked to learn today that there's not even WCML or ECML coverage for TSW. WTF? LOL The map of UK routes looks pretty dammed bare as well. What has everyone been doing for the past 5 years?
You can USE the assets from other routes. You cannot repackage them as far as I know... if you make a route that uses content from DLC then someone using your route will need to own that DLC - same as it is for TSC. Even if you *can* repackage them... there's a piracy concern there! Matt.
I beg to differ... I think it´s made huge leap and I´m excited about all the version 4 changes. Allthough it still can´t do 100% of what TSC can do. I´m looking forward to things going ahead and will defintly be using it more. I think they are finaly on the right path with TSW now....
And we have made similar comments when TSW3 appeared and yet it still has errors that have not been fixed - from what I read on the main TSW forums. Just because they are promising this and that does not mean it will happen. Having purchased TSW then TSW2 I was disappointed at the limited freedom you have with trying to run something different. Nothing like Quick Drive that we have in TSC as there did not seem to be any AI.
Not enough routes. Not enough 3rd party content, and I bet I still can't create reskin textures in external apps and import them. Seriously... I've not been paying much attention to TSW for some time until all the chatter about TSW4 started appearing on my social feeds, so I looked into it a little more. It's been out for 5 years, and the UK route map is pitiful. There's not even WCML and ECML coverage. It's really quite tragic. What has everyone been doing for five years? Coupled with the fact that you can get TSC to look pretty much as good as TSW, I just don't see the point. I was tempted by the upcoming JT route for it, but I'm not buying it just for one route, especially when I have almost the same route on TSC.
I should hope it does. To have a rail simulator out for 5 years and have no coverage of either west or east coast mainlines is comical. I wonder if it will take another 5 years to get the west coast?
So if you want to make a route to distribute it, then you have to create every single asset... every tree, blade of grass... everything yourself from scratch? That's... not great. No one's gonna do that.
If I understand this correctly you can pack the route without the assets, just like we do today in TSC. The end user will then be required to own whatever DLC you have used assets from. You can get lots of assets from the marketplace as I wrote earlier, so no need to make trees and grass
And if you did all the conditions for buying worthwhile dlc, then you wouldn’t have to be afraid of pirates, aphaha)
Sure... all artists, writers, musicians, and every other creative has to do, is just make good stuff, and no one will ever use warez ever again. And we all lived happily ever after.
My guess is it was planned for 3, but changed to 4 after DTG decided to create a new title. Regarding the other comments about why upgrade after a year and make TSW3 obsolete; let’s just recall that DTG are trying to make upgrading easy by providing the single route options in addition to the three route option. If you don’t like any of those routes, then you have a problem. What would be helpful, though, is automatically including the core game with every DLC instead of selling it separately. JT route? Include the core if that is the only route someone wants. Problem solved. The main package is a three route package, but you should not have to do that IMO. Routes of course can be upgraded automatically too.
That wouldnt work with TSW and would cause problems further down the line when they go for the upgrade. Routes will only work on the core they are sold with by doing it the way they currently do causes less headaches for the develoeprs and puts focus on the intended goal of the projects they are working on.
Not quite correct as routes sold for earlier versions TSW can be added to your collection. You cannot use DLC on an earlier version to that it was released for.
But they won’t have the new features as newer routes will do for current versions. Dtg even said this on the last blog stream that not all older dlc routes will have the new features
It's the same as with TSC. Shaders and lights can improve, but assets and scenarios remain the same. Except for the odd remaster. As for 3 or 4, it's either going to benefit from some new tech, or the publisher made a decision to make TSW4 itself more lucrative. I doubt that in this case the route creator could be at fault.
I think it was purely an Unreal Engine upgrade that wasn't able to be patched into 3 therefore requiring either stagnating on an outdated Unreal Engine build or starting again pretty much from scratch but with the added benefit of a few extra features being designed into the core function, I'm sure Matt or someone will correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I gathered from the snippets I did watch.
I have boarded this train 3 times now and have been increasingly disappointed with each version. I will wait until the first good sale before even thinking of purchasing only if I can port over all of my other DLC.
I think you misunderstand. I was saying the core would come with the route, so TSW4 core would come with the JT route, any Rivet route, etc. I think the reason you're saying it wouldn't work is because the route can work with multiple versions, so including a core could give all new versions if the route is updated as such, giving free core updates. So yeah, that might not work without separate packages for each game, and that is a hassle.
