Great Western 1970's Pack Stats Now In Steamdb

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  1. ralphy_porter2000

    ralphy_porter2000 Active Member

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    Its the 117 and 121 realy and any day now they will say "oh typo" ;) ...I hope.
    I was hoping for a class 22 for freight and semi-fast as well :( Touch optimistic of me
     
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  2. byeo

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    Hmm, so we seem to be getting two reused trains which are given a new skin and thrown together in a “70’s era pack” to be used on a route which is set after 2010..?

    I’m not a fan of the 101, don’t own the Western, I hope something new is also coming which they’ saving for a surprise because right now this is a non-runner. I’m not parting with any money for this.
     
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  3. formulabee#1362

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    They said the 52 would be a different model from the wsr one
     
  4. LucasLCC

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    Given they've never done this before, SteamDB is normally a fairly accurate picture of what is coming. If I'm wrong I'll eat my imaginary hat, but I think it's highly likely that we are just getting a 52 and 101 again.
     
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  5. theorganist

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    If the stats are a place holder and a class 117 is coming I will gleefully eat my words and my hat (well I would if I owned one) and humbly apologise. But I haven't seen that done before.

    I am happy to see the blue 52, they could have included the 47 with the named western region variants, the class 31 would be suitable as well but the class 101 is simply unrealistic. The handful on the western region in the 70's were based at Bristol, Cardiff and I think Plymouth had a couple, they would have rarely have been seen east of Swindon and south of Oxford, certainly not running the commuter services into Paddington. I suppose this might be my "wrong coloured ballast" moment!

    There is plenty of research material available, the Railcar Association website is comprehensive and free and I am sure there is plenty of knowledge on here. I could wax lyrical about first generation DMU's for hours as they are my main area of interest!
     
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  6. hightower

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    There you go gents...saved you the money.

    https://mods.trainsimcommunity.com/...c18-legacy-skins/c58-british/i612-wsr-br-pack

    If (and it remains an if) this is how it looks, I’m beginning to really get concerned about the long term prospects for TSW2, and only because I’ve already ‘invested’ so much money into it. Far from getting better, far from the optimism of TSW2 and HMA, things feel like they’re slipping backwards at a rate of knots. Rushed, unfinished and half-baked content clearly released before it is ready. In no way is a 1970’s loco pack consisting of incorrect and re-hashed content set on a line designed for 2010+ acceptable.

    They may make people eat their words yet (lets hope so), but remember the saying...

    “The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour”
     
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  7. Scorpion71

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    Not only that but the 37 would need to be remodelled as the front/nose end of the current 37/5 we have is different to the 37's in the 1970's
     
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  8. theorganist

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    True I had forgotten that. Then again as it is a BR pack if appears realism isn't necessarily the main priority.

    When NTP and TVL were released I was very excited about TSW as I felt it was obviously going to have a far better spread of periods available than TS1, now I am very uncertain about that. I still really enjoy NTP and TVL, even though the DMU's aren't totally correctly represented on those.

    The only way I can see me purchasing this pack is if a correct period route comes out in the future which makes use of these models. I can live with the modern route more than I can live without the incorrect stock being included.

    Anyway I should probably stop going on about it.
     
  9. Mat_Jam_Ca

    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    Based on the steam stats, which have been representative of the actual DLC we’ve seen so far, I’m inclined to think we’ll only get the 52 and 101 and I somehow doubt the GWML will have been remodelled in anyway to set the route in the 70’s. This add on is probably more of a rail tour pack, but making use of the BR Blue liveries as we know the 52 is going to be repainted blue.
     
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  10. rabid

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    Oh deary me [facepalm] what a shame, such a lost opportunity. As a faithful customer who has every single DLC, I have to say this does look like a money grab on the face of it. If DtG can’t get out to photograph/record new WR locos (e.g. warship, hymek, 117) they really should let this one go until they can. Also a backdated GWE would really be necessary for the 70s (no electrification, older signalling, different track layout etc.). (The 70s pack for Riviera in TS1 they did was brilliant). :(
     
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  11. stujoy

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    Buy a third Class 101? Okay, why not? It’ll be worth it for that second Class 52.

    So is this pack basically a timetable and a splash of blue paint?
     
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  12. byeo

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    Maybe this is all part of the DTG "cycle". Come July/August when a big update comes out (TSW2022, TSW3 or whatever they'll market it as) the new hype will be there, they'll profess the new update will really move them forward and showcase how great their routes are. How they're striving to be better than before, learning from past mistakes and more open and honest.

    Then once into the second half of the yearly cycle things will be thrown together in an unfinished state, customers won't be happy until the next yearly update brings more unnecessary bells and whistles along with promises of doing better, rinse and repeat.

    We're all guilty falling for hype which is why Sam try's his best to lower our expectations but even so, the latest route is pretty average, the news of the 70's era pack is underwhelming with a Class 101 which has been in two dlc's already. It'll be interesting to see what new routes will be revealed on the roadmap for the next cycle as it'll take something to make me part with anymore of my money.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
     
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  13. JZJ90

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    I am definitely quite keen to find out what the next round of new routes will be. One wonders whether one of them will be something set in the past, and will include the first steam locomotive.
     
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  14. LucasLCC

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    Given the achievements make no mention of service mode, it might be a splash of blue and a few timetables...
     
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  15. solicitr

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    Has DTG ever released a paid "loco DLC" that didn't contain a new loco? If the SteamDB file under discussion is the final one, it would contain nothing but a repeat and a reskin.
     
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  16. hightower

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    Did they ever say it was a loco DLC? It’s simply a 1970’s pack, is it not?
     
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  17. jevan-dean

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    I don't get why they are spending time on this when they could be working on improved timetable for Bakerloo or something.
     
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  18. byeo

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    Unless I dreamt it, I thought they said expanding the Bakerloo timetable was proving harder than anticipated.
     
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  19. solicitr

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    There are different teams at DTG for new content and for fixes/upgrades to released material. The people working on BR Blue wouldn't work on Bakerloo anyway.
     
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  20. Phil78

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    • [Loco Add-On] Great Western 1970's - BR Blue theme gameplay pack for Great Western Express
    They didn't name a specific loco class, which always had my suspicions raised that it'd just be a reskin of some kind. I can understand how many are disappointed though when it was listed in the road map in the same manner as all the new, upcoming locos.
    I'm sure all will be forgiven though if they can give us a GP-38 download next. I'm sure that we can all agree that what the game really needs next is a GP-38.
     
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  21. solicitr

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    In all seriousness, if after Clinchfield releases they come up with a GP-9 for it, I'd be on that like a dog on a bone.
     
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  22. hightower

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    Ah, fair point. That said, the categorisation and the description are polar opposites. It doesn’t specify a loco, merely a 1970’s gameplay theme pack.
     
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  23. Phil78

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    I'd take a high hood variant, if just for the difference in aesthetics.
     
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    I see this ending with Sam telling us that they never said it was going to be a brand new loco, as it's called a "theme gameplay pack", but at the same time apologizing for listing it as [Loco Add-On] this whole time which is very misleading. He'll then pledge to no longer list reskins as [Loco Add-On] on the roadmap.

    It's not assistant manager, it's assistant TO the manager! It's not a Loco Add-on, it's an Add-on TO a Loco!
     
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  25. solicitr

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    IIRC, all GP7s and standard GP9s were high-hood, although in the late 50s some RR special-ordered 9s with low hoods (and still later, some like UP rebuilt them with low hoods). I don't believe the Clinchfield was one of them.
     
  26. Phil78

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    Vague at best and as we know that they can already add existing, classic DLC locos on through rail tour scenarios, I've no truck at all with anyone who feels that this (if the StreamDB is correct) is a bit of a lazy cash grab. I've bought every DLC to date and my favorite era is 1970 - 1980's British Rail, but unless this DLC has more to offer than just a reskinned 52 and 101, even I will give this one a nope.
     
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  27. mattdsoares

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    At least here they can make the argument that the re-skins were really targeted to console players knowing that PC players can share re-skins on their own. These re-skins, often called Marketplace packs in TS1 were even weirder there, a PC only game with a large modding community and copious high quality free re-skins of every rail company and era.
     
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    Because plenty of people will pay £11.99 for it, either regardless of what it is or not really knowing what it is.

    Money in the bank!
     
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  29. Phil78

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    I am a console player. Just here on the PC thread out of interest as to what the BR Blue pack had in store for us. I've bought DLC's in the past that I've not been very chuffed with, so once bitten, twice shy and all that. I'm sure that this pack will have its customers, but it'll need to offer more than a spiffy new paint job (a few good scenarios and a free pair of flairs and some platform shoes, for example) before I throw any cold, hard cash at it.
     
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  30. WonterRail

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    Something like that would be sweet! I suspect that looking at how TSW DLCs are priced and how much bang we get for our buck, expecting more than a couple of locos for anything less than a top end DLC price, whether reskins or not, is probably asking a bit much from DTG. It'd be a nice surprise if it can offer more than thus far listed content of the pack though.
     
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  32. nitraxfox#6791

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    If this is true, will be really disappointed personally, a hard pass for me tbh.
     
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  33. Articuno

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    Generally all of the locos in these packs were not new, but rather upgraded with better physics and sounds from a previous version they made, possibly repainted in BR Blue livery and then bundled together, and included a few scenarios for a route.

    Personally I was hoping TSW wasn't going to end up like TS classic in that way, where there are up to 5 different versions of the same loco, rather than just the older models being upgraded for everyone that already owns it. I think the point of these packs is more to be for gameplay and adding a 70s GWML timetable as mentioned, but it seems a bit weird without a 117 or 121 doing the local Paddington-Reading services. The fact that these are just reskinned locos already released though does explain why it already has the achievements up on steam.
     
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    It would be nice if the BR Blue Class 52 subs in NTP. Some freight action would be nice too.
     
  35. RobSkip

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    It'd be about as realistic as a 101 on a Thames Valley local in the 70s...
     
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  36. tallboy7648

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    I was never gonna buy this pack anyways but why put a train that doesn't run on gwe in the time period (class 101) and give players a reskined train(class 52). This is the same business practice that dtg has done in ts2021. If this is how the pack will release then it'll be nothing more than a cash grab
     
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    "From 1967, several 101 sets were transferred to serve the South West. Services from Reading to Gatwick Airport and Oxford to Paddington were common.[32] Diagrams expanded as more 101s arrived in the region with regular runs in the Bristol area. They were stabled at Reading and Plymouth, Laira depots, with the units serving until 1987 when they were largely replaced by Class 108s.[33] Several 101s received Network Southeast branding and by the early 1990s had been scaled back to running local services between Didcot, Oxford and Bicester.[34] However, some 101 units were still working in the Plymouth area as late as May 1993 with the final withdrawal coming in 1996.[35]"
     
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    They were transferred to the South West in the 70's, not the London area. There were no sets based at Reading till about 1987, any forays before then into Paddington would have been extremely rare. Even when Reading did have it's allocation they were not the dominant DMU into Paddington by any stretch of the imagination, that was still the 117's. Whatever year you are trying to cover the use of class 101's as THE DMU for the Paddington services is very unrealistic and for the 1970's wholly unrealistic.

    The class 101's at Plymouth in the late 1980's and 1990's had all been allocated there with class 108's and some bubble cars when BR had to get a motley collection together to replace the class 142 "Skippers" which were unsuitable for the South Devon area and had excessive wheel flange wear from the tight curves.

    Below is the allocation at Reading on 1st January 1977, not one class 101 vehicle apart from one TCL. From the easily accessible Railcar Association site!

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    There were 151 vehicles were allocated on 01/01/1977:

    Vehicle in Departmental Use

    Vehicle in Parcel Use

    Vehicle Type Arrive From Depart To
    50083 Class 116 Apr-68 Cardiff Canton May-81 Laira
    50819 Class 116 Apr-68 Southall 2w/e 05/11/77 Tyseley
    50862 Class 116 Apr-68 Southall w/e 15/10/77 Tyseley
    50872 Class 116 Apr-68 Southall w/e 15/10/77 Tyseley
    50915 Class 116 Apr-68 Southall 2w/e 05/11/77 Tyseley
    51068 Class 119 3w/e 09/10/76 Laira 11/05/86 (S)
    51070 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 16/06/80 Laira on loan
    51077 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 15/05/83 Bristol Bath Road
    51078 Class 119 29/02/76 Laira p/e 24/02/88 Withdrawn
    51079 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 3w/e 15/11/80 Cardiff Canton
    51096 Class 119 3w/e 09/10/76 Laira 11/05/86 (S)
    51098 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 16/06/80 Laira on loan
    51105 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 15/05/83 Bristol Bath Road
    51106 Class 119 29/02/76 Laira p/e 24/02/88 Withdrawn
    51107 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 3w/e 15/11/80 Cardiff Canton
    51332 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51333 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 26/05/94 Tyseley
    51335 Class 117 Feb-60 New 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51336 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51337 Class 117 Mar-60 New 22/10/90 Withdrawn
    51340 Class 117 w/e 06/03/76 Bristol Bath Road 26/05/94 Tyseley
    51341 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51342 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51343 Class 117 Apr-60 New 03/12/93 Headquarters
    51344 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51345 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51346 Class 117 29/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 16/03/92 Old Oak Common
    51347 Class 117 4w/e 04/05/68 Laira 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51349 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51350 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 04/08/92 Bletchley
    51351 Class 117 Jun-60 New 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51353 Class 117 Jun-60 New 10/05/87 Cardiff Canton
    51354 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/01/94 Bletchley
    51355 Class 117 Jun-60 New 01/02/93 Headquarters
    51356 Class 117 Jul-66 Southall 25/08/92 Bletchley
    51358 Class 117 Jul-60 New 04/02/94 Bletchley
    51359 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51360 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 10/05/87 Cardiff Canton
    51361 Class 117 Apr-66 Southall p/e 30/03/91 Old Oak Common
    51362 Class 117 Jul-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51363 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51364 Class 117 Sep-64 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51365 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51366 Class 117 Mar-67 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51367 Class 117 Sep-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51368 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall w/e 30/06/79 Laira
    51369 Class 117 Sep-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51370 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51371 Class 117 Apr-66 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51372 Class 117 by Jul-66 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51373 Class 117 Dec-64 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51374 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51375 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 26/05/94 Tyseley
    51377 Class 117 Feb-60 New 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51378 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51379 Class 117 Mar-60 New 27/03/92 Withdrawn
    51381 Class 117 w/e 06/03/76 Bristol Bath Road 26/05/94 Tyseley
    51383 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51384 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51385 Class 117 Apr-60 New 01/02/93 Headquarters
    51386 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51387 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 03/12/93 Bletchley
    51388 Class 117 29/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 16/03/92 Old Oak Common
    51389 Class 117 4w/e 04/05/68 Laira 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51391 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51392 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 04/08/92 Bletchley
    51393 Class 117 Jun-60 New 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51395 Class 117 Jun-60 New 10/05/87 Cardiff Canton
    51396 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/01/94 Bletchley
    51397 Class 117 Jun-60 New 03/12/93 Headquarters
    51398 Class 117 Jul-66 Southall 25/08/92 Bletchley
    51399 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall May-81 Laira
    51400 Class 117 Jul-60 New 04/02/94 Bletchley
    51401 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    51402 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 10/05/87 Cardiff Canton
    51403 Class 117 Apr-66 Southall Apr-82 Withdrawn
    51404 Class 117 Jul-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51405 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51406 Class 117 Sep-64 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51407 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51408 Class 117 Mar-67 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51409 Class 117 Sep-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51410 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall w/e 30/06/79 Laira
    51411 Class 117 Sep-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    51412 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51413 Class 117 Apr-66 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51414 Class 117 by Jul-66 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    51415 Class 117 Dec-64 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    55020 Class 121 Jul-64 Southall 09/06/85 Bristol Bath Road
    55021 Class 121 Apr-68 Southall Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    55022 Class 121 Jan-72 Cardiff Canton Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    55023 Class 121 Jan-72 Cardiff Canton Jul-83 Bristol Bath Road on loan
    55024 Class 121 w/e 17/05/75 Cardiff Canton 2w/e 29/12/79 Laira
    55027 Class 121 May-73 Bristol Bath Road 2w/e 29/12/79 Laira
    55028 Class 121 2w/e 22/08/70 Bristol Bath Road Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    55029 Class 121 w/e 12/04/75 Cardiff Canton Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    55030 Class 121 Dec-60 New June-87 Old Oak Common
    55031 Class 121 Apr-68 Southall Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    55991 Class 128 Apr-68 Southall Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    55992 Class 128 Apr-68 Southall Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    56280 Class 121 Apr-68 Southall Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    56281 Class 121 Apr-68 Southall 11/05/86 Tyseley
    56284 Class 121 Apr-68 Southall Jul-83 Bristol Bath Road on loan
    56285 Class 121 Dec-73 Cardiff Canton ex-loan 16/05/85 Southall (store)
    56286 Class 121 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/85 Southall (S)
    56287 Class 121 w/e 08/02/75 Bristol Bath Road Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    56289 Class 121 2w/e 10/05/75 Cardiff Canton Jun-87 Old Oak Common
    59420 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 15/05/83 Bristol Bath Road
    59427 Class 119 3w/e 09/10/76 Laira 11/05/86 (S)
    59429 Class 119 28/02/76 Laira 16/06/80 Laira on loan
    59436 Class 119 29/02/76 Laira 10/05/87 Reading (U)
    59437 Class 119 w/e 06/03/76 Laira 3w/e 15/11/80 Cardiff Canton
    59478 Class 118 Apr-66 Southall Nov-80 Laira
    59479 Class 118 by Jul-66 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    59480 Class 118 Dec-64 Southall 04/07/82 Laira
    59484 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall Apr-95 Withdrawn
    59485 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 26/05/94 Tyseley
    59487 Class 117 Feb-60 New Apr-95 Withdrawn
    59488 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    59489 Class 117 Mar-60 New 20/03/92 Tyseley
    59491 Class 117 w/e 06/03/76 Bristol Bath Road 26/05/94 Tyseley
    59493 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall Apr-95 Withdrawn
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    59495 Class 117 Apr-60 New 13/01/93 Headquarters
    59496 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    59497 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road Apr-95 Withdrawn
    59498 Class 117 29/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 16/03/92 Old Oak Common
    59499 Class 117 4w/e 04/05/68 Laira Dec-86 (U)
    59501 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    59502 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 22/09/92 Withdrawn
    59503 Class 117 Jun-60 New 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    59505 Class 117 Jun-60 New 10/05/87 Cardiff Canton
    59506 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall Apr-95 Withdrawn
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    59508 Class 117 Jul-66 Southall 22/04/93 Headquarters
    59510 Class 117 Jul-60 New 08/02/94 Laira
    59511 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 18/09/92 Old Oak Common
    59512 Class 117 28/02/76 Bristol Bath Road 10/05/87 Cardiff Canton
    59513 Class 117 Apr-66 Southall p/e 30/03/91 Old Oak Common
    59514 Class 117 Jul-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59515 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59516 Class 117 Sep-64 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59517 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59518 Class 117 Mar-67 Southall 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59519 Class 117 Sep-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59520 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall w/e 30/06/79 Laira
    59521 Class 117 Sep-60 New 16/05/82 Bristol Bath Road
    59522 Class 117 Apr-68 Southall 3w/e 15/11/80 Laira
    59543 Class 101 w/e 04/10/75 Cardiff Canton w/e 08/07/78 Tyseley
    975023 Class 122 by Dec-75 Bristol Bath Road by 07/11/87 Old Oak Common
    975540 Class 122 circa Nov-75 Departmental by 07/11/87 Old Oak Common
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    This has made me realise one thing. When something isn't right then it does matter to those individuals to whom it matters too, so I would like to apologise for not being so sympathetic with those complaining about the missing fence or incorrect coloured ballast on SEHS, they are still things which wouldn't bother at all, although that fence was hard to miss but I can see that if you know it is wrong and you do like to go into that kind of detail then it does matter.

    Don't get me wrong, I am still far happier with TSW than I am unhappy with it and I get plenty of enjoyment out of it.

    However, if the wrong colour ballast is a reason for a route to be changed then how big an issue is having a completely wrong class of local passenger train? I certainly realise that DTG aren't going to suddenly delay the pack and knock up a class 117. They seem to be focused on getting the trains on routes just right, something I agree with but they either haven't bothered to research what class of DMU should be used or they have just thought we will just throw in the class 101 as no one will care apart from a few anoraks. Well this anorak does care, you wouldn't put a class 45 on the route instead of a class 52, that would have created even more of a stir so why get half of it correct but not the other!

    I say all this with the caveat that the above steam database information may be incorrect and I may end up feeling very foolish and if that is the case I will humbly apologise!
     
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    I mean hey you never know. Maybe DTG will delay this and make the class 117 and get rid of the 101 in the pack. It would be unfair not to do so and make people like you happier. They must not have done research on the locos that would run in this era or they have but weren't bothered to make a new train or maybe the 117 will come down the line after release or before it release. It's still early days although the Steam DB has sorta put the final nail in the coffin for this pack
     
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    It appears as if they are leaking stuff, seeing how bad the reaction is and how much they can get away with, then making a decision on whether to continue with the release or do something about it.

    If even theorganist isn't happy with this, something is definitely amiss!
     
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    This is completely daft if true. I work in marketing and cannot believe how poor DTG are sometimes at announcing and keeping us updated on their products. How can you let people find out what locos come in an upcoming pack through steam achievements? It's just ridiculous and leads to confusion and threads like these. They should've announced it properly and justified their decision on the locos.
     
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    I doubt it was intentional; rather, it was poor opsec. Or, perhaps, it's good opsec and the achievement list at present is a blind.

    Either way, it seems that if DTG really want to be "transparent," then once a firm decision has been made on a DLC's contents and development has started - or certainly when it's well along - then they should announce it, either in a posted announcement, or in one of Matt/Sam's livestreams. What's gained by keeping it a secret?

    I can understand not announcing things that might or might not happen; but once something is going to happen, then it should be announced- then, not according to some dribble-it-out timetable. This is not Hollywood, where they want to keep things secret until the film premieres.
     
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    Steam achievements can take a reasonable amount of time to implement and test, using them as a ploy would be no more than a waste of development time.
     
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    True enough- except that the ones in question associated with BRB are placeholders, empty files.
     
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    Usually the achievements represent what is coming with the release of a product. At the very least DTG should discuss more about this pack. People shouldn't have to find out what's coming in a achievements list
     
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    I agree. So much for transparency
     
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    Either way, it is a procedural fault to upload anything to SteamDB that has not already been announced- no matter whether these are the real achievements or an attempt to mislead. The content for BRB has been locked down by now and I would venture for some time past; there simply is no point to not telling us about it.

    Sims are not like RPGs, shooters and other story-based games. There, yes, the publishers understandably want to avoid spoilers or ruining the player's sense of discovery. But this is not that. With TSW, the user base wants to know exactly what it's getting.
     
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    With all of these 101s everywhere I should probably learn to drive the damn thing :cool:
     
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    I agree. This is a train simulator. It's not a massive product that has a story mode like other games such as Star Wars etc so I really don't see the point of hiding everything
     
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