Have Ai Trains Use Their Horns

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  1. jack.a.varley04

    jack.a.varley04 Active Member

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    Just a small idea that would add a bit more immersion have ai trains use their horns at level crossings whistle signs ect
    Also walking down the tracks trains should honk to let the player know they are their
    Let me know your opinions and ideas on this
     
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  2. Amtrak_Fan

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    Great idea. Trains in real life usually honk at railroad crew if they recognize them.
     
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  3. saint.russian

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    You are right! It is something so obvious and on the surface but seems to have been overlooked.
     
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  4. Amtrak_Fan

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    Exactly. I always hoped that other trains would honk at me but never did. So thats why i think they should add it.
     
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  5. Silberpfeil#1047

    Silberpfeil#1047 New Member

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    I would love that for American Routes, but in Europe it is just not realistic. In Germany for example, the Horn is just an Emergency Device, it is not allowed to be used unless advised by a Sign or an Emergency, same for France
     
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  6. jack.a.varley04

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    Still can be implemented for said signs
     
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  7. fabdiva

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    I thought the French had to use the horn when passing the rear of another train, at least on the classic lines rather than the TGV, or have they stopped doing that?
     
  8. dedh98mosqueto

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    Yes, but I don't think they use there bells either.
     
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    This would be Awsome addition, and ADD more immersion into the game.....wish the crossing gates, would close and red lights flash when the A.i trains pass through,...but definitely when the Train, I'm Operating, approach's an intersection, Gates closing, and Red flashers !!! ✖ ⛔
    Having A.I. Train's acknowledging, (Sounding their Horn), when passing another Train, (Me, Train that I'm Operating) would also Add more to the Game!!
     
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  11. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    UK still have plenty of Whistle signs. :P

    I think the suggestion is awesome, as long as AI does what's realistic for that specific country. Would definately need less horns in Germany compared to the USA.
     
  12. stujoy

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    The rules around using horns need a human to fully interpret them in real time. There’s no way a catch-all system for TSW can recreate realistic use of horns for AI trains on the routes. What would be much worse than trains never using horns is trains using horns all the time when they shouldn’t or using the incorrect sequence or tone. Not an easy thing for DTG to implement in the game or to research the correct use of horns for every route, era, train operating company featured from now on, and get it correct. This is what DTG have said about it too.
     
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  13. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    What about AI using horns half of the time? Would that be worse than having no horns at all?
     
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  14. dedh98mosqueto

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    haha jokes on him. American trains don't have diffrent horn tones on a single engine.
     
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    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    I’m sure this could be built in so that when an AI train hits a defined point on the map, e.g. a whistle board, the horn is triggered. How easy that is to implement, I have no idea. Horns, when used correctly, are always fun in my book.
     
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  16. stujoy

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    Oh, we’re doing it like that, okay then, have this. It may have escaped your attention but not all trains are American trains. If a system for AI trains sounding their horns was implemented it would have to cover different rules for different trains in different countries, not just USA. Some trains, like those in the UK, do have two different tones and often soft and loud options too.

    American engineers do have to follow all kinds of complicated rules as to when to sound their single sound* horns and just as important when not to sound their horns. It isn’t as simple as “there’s a whistle board, sound the horn.” A simple trigger point on the track just won’t cut it, not even in the US.

    *even though there is only a single sound for the horn, it is usually made of several different horn tones played simultaneously to form a chord. So, if I were to be pedantic, I could say that US trains have more horn tones than UK trains, they just bellow them out all at the same time, far too loudly and far too often, almost as if American trains are trying to be just like American people.
     
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    Reminds me of Brooklyn Air BnB I stayed in that was near some sidings, got in at 5am a little worse for wear after an evening of partying, try to get some sleep and at 7am a shunter turned up to spend an hour honking at a ludicrous volume!
     
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  18. dedh98mosqueto

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    I know, but for the Sand Patch Grade it should be easy as all the have to program is two short blast of the horn when the train is about to move in the forward direction as well as the crossing signal of two longs, a short, and a long. Which by the way originated in England. The sign was simply morse code for Q meaning quarantine the crossing.
     
  19. ScottN

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    There is a train sim called Run8 that has the AI trains blow the horn for crossings and have two quick blasts before they start moving and ring the bells before moving. Why not implement that in TSW2?
     
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  20. Ant Craft

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    Working crossings are a thing now. They have been since Southeastern High Speed. They just need to be implemented on older routes now.

    AI honking their horns at crossings though would be awesome. Hope they add it in the future, and maybe they could have a randomised high/low pattern, at least for UK ones. (eg. the game randomly picking between high, low, high or high, low, low ect.)
     
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  21. BleenteamJ#6470

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    For some reason the "Tools of the Trade scenario has a horn honked in the background when you start.
    I found a video:
     
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  22. JellyScrub

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    I can't remember the service number, but I just played another one on NTP where the Class 40 that dropped off 3 vans at Huddersfield did a short toot when it started moving again.
     
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    The class 08s and 40s Always use their horns/whistles before moving
     
  24. jackthelad258

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    This is a good idea. At the moment the AI flash you when they pass you (on the ECW). I am not sure if they use the horn when they go past a ‘W’ sign or if they are passing through a station without stopping but this is a normal procedure in real life. I usually sound the horn in these cases and think the AI should also.
     
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  25. Amtrak_Fan

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    Another good system would be if a passenger (or the player) gets too close to the track as the train is approaching the ai train will honk its horn to alert the passenger of the incoming train.
     
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  26. ScottN

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    How about that they give two short toots before they move and do two long a short and a long for road crossings in the US and Canada? If you played a train sim called Run8 they do blow for crossings and do two toots before they move.
     
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  27. ItsYa165

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    Last time this was discussed on stream, they said it would be expensive for AI trains to use their horns. They said it would drop performance if every AI train was continuously checking to see if they were near a whistle board. But I suppose, it could be the other way around. The whistle boards could check to see if an AI train has passed it.
     
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  28. Amtrak_Fan

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    You dont even need to do that. just have a checkpoint or something like it at all whistle board, and as the train passes it it triggers the horn.
     
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  29. ItsYa165

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    Yeah that's basically what I meant to say
     
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