Obviously considering the language barrier this is somewhat hard to look up myself, but does anyone know of any good historic German routes?
What do you mean by Historic? Rübelandbahn from TSG is a route set in East Germany in the 1970s https://www.3dzug.de/product_info.php?info=p571_ruebelandbahn.html Because most of the trains are set in 1980s or later there does not seem to be many earlier routes.
You mean like routes set in pre 2000? Or just routes who has a long history and importance (which would the vast majority of available routes).
When asking for historic, I think of routes like Woodhead Line, Wearsdale & Tessdale Network, Riveria Line in the 50´s etc.... something, that is lacking on the german side. The only "historic" Payware route is the mentioned Rübelandbahn set in the DDR times. But unfortunately there is no really old (steam era) route for Germany. The routes on the German side are mostly set between 2000 and 2020. Strange really, as there is a lot of old German rolling stock and steamers.
Well i think it’s something to do with what the German sim community want in general. As soon as something happens on a route (such as the outside signals being turned off between Basel and Freiburg) the original route is deemed out of date. I see a lot of push towards routes being in the latest state, even if it means less interesting traffic. It’s mostly a couple if freeware routes that are set in somewhat older times. Harzbahn (we are impatiently waiting ) Rodachtalbahn, Freiberg (Sachs). Btw the Wutachtalbahn could be considered “historic” i guess. Brockenbahn too.
This is true... you are also seeing this push on the moselbahn now on the german forums. Someones doing a veg update and people started pushing for a tunnel and signals beeing updated to 2024 state. Yes, we are trying hard... still missing some scenery around the portals and waiting for 4 or 5 buildings out of blender. I will be traveling for 8 weeks from March onwards... I want it out before that. Even though there has been some hate towards my route from the TSW crowd. It´s a heritage route in Germany, yes. Would actually be nice to see a mainline set in the 1960´s to drive the old E10 and E40 from virtual railroads and some of the nice steam engines. I would be happy with one single line out of that peroid to be honest.
People are strange sometimes. But you know that the TSC crowd are going to be very grateful for your work
Yeah, especially TSW players are very strange... the frustration (that some apologists don't admit) over the fact their game has not and will never become what they expected, leads to venting off that frustration between forum users as DTG mostly stay away from the forums these days, or telling "We'll look into that", which they mostly never do. Multiple page threads about irrelevant stuff as simple and cheap wagon pack addons, almost always ending up in quarrels... oh my. Toxic place.
eldomtom2 If you searching for TS-Routes then there are some that can be in some kind called "historic". As someone earlier mentioned there are the Payware: - Rübelandbahn - Brockenbahn As Freeware there are following (most available in the germain rail-sim forum): - Rodachtalbahn (contains some fictious parts) - Projekt Freiberg (Sachs) - Wetteraunetz ´90 v2 by STWS - Kerbestrecke 1994 v1 by Team EZY [fictious route] - Bad Spendau - Querleben DDR version (~1985) by Team EZY [fictious route] - Preßnitztalbahn Wolkenstein-Jöhstadt 2.43 - Baederbahn Usedom 1988 + Usedom v2.2 (an update by someone else to the Baederbahn) Of course they need more or less additional stuff like Pay- and Freeware
a couple other historic options are (nominally) all the SAD routes, Altenburg-Wildau is both the oldest (by release) and also feels the oldest, say ~1990 or so, IKB3 and brennitzer linienstern (the two payware routes) were both developed more recently and are set more recently, nominally in the late 1990s but they certainly feel more modern to me, early 2000s at least.
I mean, you talking like that is toxic in of itself, and uncalled for. You can fully enjoy TSC without mocking other players for their own preferences, they're fully entitled to prefer one train game over the another train game after all Anyway, a historic German route set in steam would be interesting. Obviously the political situation in Germany during that era is an issue when it comes to making such a route, plus the purposes of what some locomotives were used for during that time. I'm always down for more historical content though, the older stock always makes for a more interesting drive no matter what the region
Think you misunderstood me. I have never mocked TSW players - I am just praising TSC which is perfectly alright on the TSC forums. I have that other game myself, all I did was analyze the overall situation over there and say I feel bad for them and their half finished and massively broken product. Have filed many bug reports there but given up on that now. That's not toxic, but critical. Toxic means you'll get sucked into quarrels no matter what, or attacked for your opinion, which is what toms87 and I have experienced in TSW related forums where you get attacked for mentioning or playing TSC. Anyone is free to enjoy whatever game they like, but in my view, there is a serious lack of humour and a high level of frustration over there. A toxic place is a place where everyone just feels offended by different opinions. In a sensible place even a bit of mockery, if there were, should be countered with humour - if it's not, then it's frustration at play, that's the point I was trying to make. You can say Zusi looks outdated and other games might be better, which won't offend me in the slightest. I love it. Back on topic, I want to recommend "Thüringer Wald" by Oberheizer, available on rail-sim.de. Like Rübelandbahn, it's set in the late 80's and has a fantastic level of detail and custom era-appropriate assets. The smell of Bratwurst is in the air
Spikee1975 is right. I have been attacked multiple times recently for building routes on TSC... back to topic: we are definitly missing a German route set in the period between 1950 up until 1980. Most of the historical stock is available in excelent quality with no route to run it on. E10 and E40 (germanys earliest electric traction from 1957) and many steamers.
Easiest way to achieve this would probably be to take an existing route and backdate it like G-TraX did with Marias Pass / Stevens Pass / HiLine in the 1950s. We have a lot of assets ready to use, and many Formsignal Bauformen available.
Yes, it´s strange no one ever attempted this. Apparently it is difficult to gain historical data and track layouts for German routes. But I would not even to bothered about 100% realism. It would just need the right feel and make it possible to run old German stock in a fitting environment.
An East German route I liked a lot is Project Freiberg Sachs https://rail-sim.de/forum/filebase/entry/1836-projekt-freiberg-sachs-v2-01/
Sad fact about this route... the developer had teased a extension (version 3) to this network many times on railsim and then stopped posting a couple of years ago. Real shame.
I think this is where the problem lies in regards to our German sim collegues. Angling it a bit hard it could be said that if one signal is placed one meter wrong, then it’s not original enough LOL. We had this discussion recently over at Rail-Sim.de. If one switchpoint is placed wrong in a route, most would rather have an upgrade that even breaks all scenarios, than an optical upgrade that is backwards scenario compatible. And if things are not 100000% correct, then, seemingly, it has no value to them. (This discussion was in regards as to what versions of a route i ought to make Real Drives for, and my argument was that upgraders could actually get full compability between versions, but they prefer even small corrections to the track layout, to compability)
You know that I am one of those people to some degree... I think you are underplaying what some route updates do though. I am currently helping on a long awaited route update and the route is basicly non comparable with the original DTG version at this point. Tracks have been relayed in many places, signales replaced, catenary rebuilt, scenery updated or placed enterily new. But to be clear Kim: this is only needed with certain older DTG routes. Newer routes like Dresden-Leipzig and others don´t need a complete overhaul in my view. Changing 5 or 6 signals and uploading a cloned route is confusing and maybe even unnecessary. But complete overhauls like done by raildesigns and Thaddäus (RIP) are amazing. The "community" tends to build scenarios on the updated routes anyway... it´s mainly the payware scenarios, that use the original routes (for obvious reasons).
I think fictional routes can really open up your options for historical content in this sim, there's a big differenced between freelanced routes like SAD's stuff and the EZY routes and just suggesting the isle of wight as a german route. SAD's routes and especially the EZY routes have a very real sense of place and time which is perfect for freelanced but still realistic scenarios. (All that being said SAD's routes often have track layouts that feel slightly off, but not enough to destroy credibility or whatnot.)
I didn’t say they weren’t great routes. They are. Just that the term historical is not correctly applied when speaking of a fictional route.
Yes. The route is installed as an .exe file and it does not need any other requirements. Have a look at the route on 3DZug and check the reviews - it was released by the TSG group https://www.3dzug.de/product_info.php?info=p571_ruebelandbahn.html The German manual for the route is attached
With all due respect Peter, but the strange and somewhat bland lighting in your screenshots doesn't do the route justice. (Ambient light doesn't match sky colour). But these original Dostos are nice! Some of the few things that survived the GDR dissolvement until today. Rübelandbahn:
I was just running a Quick Drive which should have been Summer and Cloudy but it did not work out that way.
This one is really incredible with excellent attention to period detail from the 1980s DDR. Highly recommend.
^^ Absolutely. Took me a while until all milk bottles were replaced by finding some missing assets, but now it's complete. Absolutely brilliant route. Running the vR DR 243 on it.
