How Do You Rate The Amount Of Uk Diesel Content In Tsw?

I keep hearing people say they want "more locos!" So, I wondered.... how many of the actual locos did we have in game already? I went to Wikipedia, so the numbers might not be accurate and I combined very similar sub-classes together for conveience. I also only really only follow diesel out of personal preference and to limit the scope a bit, but if anyone else wants to do the electric stock, feel free!

Point being, I was surprised with how much of the "significant stock was already in the game.
But what do you think?
Is there a "good" selection?
Where should they focus next?

I realize it's not ALL just about numbers. It depends on length of service, what routes they used (vs what we have in game), and many other factors. However, there had to be some metric to use so I chose number produced (over 50) and a significant time in service (10 years or more usually)

It's not just a poll, but also a discussion on future suggestions.
For example, the Class 24/25 were produced in large numbers, but do they fill a role in game that isn't already being filled by other locos? Were they on routes we have to PUT them on?

Feel free to move to "suggestions" if it fits better there. The primary focus was to get feedback on seeing how TSW is doing, secondary is suggestions of what to do with that, but it could fit in either area!

British Locomotives over 50 built Diesels only

Class Built Status
Class 8/9/10 1,193 Class 8/9 In game
Class 47 512 In game
Class 24/25 474
Class 66 446 In game
Class 31 344 In game
Class 37 309 In game
Class 20 228 In game
Class 40 200 In game
Class 44/45/46 193 Class 45 in game
Class 11 136 (similar to class 8s)
Class 56 135
Class 17 117 only 5 years in service, but neat middle-cab design?
Class 26/27 116
Class 35 101 diesel-hydraulic
Class 60 100
Class 33 98 In game
Class 52 74 In game
Class 14 56 only 4 years in service
Class 21 58
Class 22 58
Class 50 50
Class 58 50
DMU
Class 101/102 533 In game
Class 108 333
Class 114/116 360
Class 104 302 in development
Class 105 302 (these 3 seems oddly similar, but they aren't? Could someone give more info?)
Class 106 302
Class 120 194
Class 155/156/158 321 Class 158 in game
Class 150 135 In game
Class 117 123
Class 142 96 In game
Class 119 84
Class 197 77
Class 185 51
HST
Class 800s 139 In game
Class 43s 94 In game

 

I think we there’s a good amount at this stage of the game, with hopefully more to come. But as far as old diesels go, I think we need some more routes to run them on, or at least give some of the existing routes some love so that we want to revisit them again…

What I’d love to see (but don’t have any expectations) is for routes like TVL and/NTP get brought up to the current standard. TOD 4, fix the wonky signaling, WSR-style scenery upgrades etc. Would give us more good options to run the old diesels on than just Blackpool.

And then there’s West Cornwall which has all that stuff but shouldn’t…

 

TSW's UK electric traction is composed of 377, 387, 375, 465, 710, 700, 801.

That's 7 electric trains, compared to 15 diesel.

Looking at it, there's actually more diesel traction. Except most of them are for BR era routes, which I think is where the problem lies.

 

Meaning anything introduced after the mid-1990s? Locos or liveries? Because a lot of the older stock was still rolling even then.

 

Full list of UK trains in-game unless I forgot some:

Electric Multiple Unit:

1. 38 Stock (2021)
2. 72 Stock (2020)
3. 313 (2021)
4. 314 (2021)
5. 323 (2022)
6. 375 (2021)
7. 377 (2019)
8. 380 (In development)
   
9. 385 (2023)
10. 387 (2021)
11. 465 (2021)
12. 483 (2020)
13. 484 (2022)
14. 700 (2023)
15. 710 (2024)
16. 801 (+emergency diesel engine) (2024)

Electric Locomotive:

• None

Diesel Multiple Unit:

1. 101 (2018)
2. 104 (In development)
3. 142 (2023)
4. 150 (2021)
5. 158 (2023)
6. 166 (2017)
7. 170 (2024)

Diesel Locomotive:

1. 08 (2019)
2. 09 (2018)
3. 20 (2020)
4. 31 (2021)
5. 33 (2018)
6. 37 (2019)
7. 40 (2019)
8. 43 (2017)
9. 45 (2018)
10. 47 (2018)
11. 52 (2019)
12. 66 (2017)

Mainly electric routes:

1. Great Western Express
2. East Coastway
3. Bakerloo Line
4. Isle of Wight
5. Island Line 2022
6. Southeastern Highspeed
7. Southeastern Highspeed Extended
8. Cathcart Circle Line
9. London Commuter
10. Birmingham Cross-City Line
11. ScotRail Express
12. Glossop Line
13. East Coast Main Line
14. London Overground Suffragette Line

Mainly non-electric routes:

1. West Somerset Railway
2. Northern Trans-Pennine
3. Tees Valley Line
4. West Cornwall Local
5. Spirit of Steam
6. Midland Main Line
7. Peak Forest Railway
8. Blackpool Branches
9. Fife Circle Line

 

voted good since there a nice amount of diesel train already in game
off-course more would be better

 

I am really surprised we do not have a class 156 in sim already. The 156 would layer on to a good chick of uk routes already.

 

Great point
If anything I would love to see some old electrics introduced

 

I feel that there has been a decent coverage, however much of that can be owed to TSW2020 and recently I have not been too pleased at all with the variety of British content for game. There are some rather unmissable classes of locos missing (say that ten times over) including, but not limited to, the class 25s, 50s, 55s, 56s, 60s, 68s, 108s, 156s, 220s all of which would go on to at least two routes, assuming they came with a route and most going onto multiple routes just as a loco DLC. Since TSW3, roughly, DTG have just seemed to focus on modern electric EMUs as UK content which is getting more and more tiring.

 

Just a couple of slight pedant notes but the class 800 is not a diesel, but a bi mode and not in the game. What we have in game is the class 801 which is not a bi mode, but an EMU.

 

We do need some electric locos. Surprising we don't have any yet.

 

Wot no Class 03 in the original list !!!
That is a disgrace.

Signed;

Mr Angry - Tunbridge Wells.

 

Class 02 suffice?

(Picture mine)

This picture is probably the closest you'd get to a diesel shunter that isn't the Class 08.

 

Valid point.
As I said, I was grouping sub-classes where possible to save space and they often have MUCH of the same feel (controls are mostly the same) since people can get worked up about even different liveries being counted as "different". It all depends on how detailed people want to be. However, yes in this case it's entirely different propulsion so that's a solid correction.

 

It's an outrage! No Deltic either! It's a further outrage!

Yours
Mrs Trellis- North Wales

 

We only have 3 modern UK diesel routes compared to 11? modern UK electric routes, and the historic routes (except the steam ones) are all diesel. So the way I see it, we need more modern diesel routes and some historic electric routes - especially some UK electric locomotives.

 

Fair but there are some significant gaps...
No Class 14 Teddy Bear or Class 17 Clayton.
No Sulzer Type 2's (24 - 27).
No Class 35 or 42/43 Hydraulics.
No Class 44 or 46.
No Class 50, 55 or 56.
Many original DMU types that could be represented.
No DEMU's.
No Paxman Valenta HST.

Coming up to date, no Class 59, 60, 68 or 70.
No Class 153 (155) or 156 and a poor effort at a 150/2.
No Class 165, 168, 172, 175 or 185.
No Voyager types, 220, 221, 222.

Of course not all the above have a suitable route/era to run on

 

I'd kinda like to see what a shunter 1/3 the size of the Class 8 would be doing in the game. Could be interesting... but I fear most people would find it pointless?

 

That last part is much of the problem. The community is very specific about needing "era accurate rolling stock" so even when we have routes that COULD use them, often it's not the right timeline so people would complain. For example, the Class 27's COULD work on the Scottish routes we have in game.... BUT they were all out of service by the mid-1980s so they won't "fit." And since they didn't regularly go on the lines old enough to feature them.... we're outta luck as far as "authenticity" goes.
Unless a "railtour" with a "preserved" loco is included as with some routes currently.
Speaking of....aren't there a handful preserved in Scotland and run locally?
I suppose that'd work in a similar way to the Flying Scotsman on other modern routes....

 

Adding on the last point.... looking at the Scottish rail lines in particular.... I haven't looked into getting them because of the lack of timetables for more locos. Unless you want to drive a 385 or a 313... you're pretty much SOL. The layers are all specialized like railhead and engineering trains and railtours. Nothing regular.
I don't blame DTG because Fife and Edinburgh-Glasgow are Rivet routes, but surely there are daily Class 66's into Scotland.
For that matter... wouldn't you include the adjacent in time replacements on the same line? (The 313 being replaced by the 385 for example) since they'd be mostly the same routes at the time the changeover took place and there is some overlap.

Again, I guess it all comes back to being "authentic" and anything not exactly on that exact line at the exact time is derided as "inauthentic."
Really limits introducing more stock into the game.
And since you don't want to do the SAME line several times (people will say "I already BOUGHT that line once!"), then anything on that line before or after is pretty much in limbo.

Again, giving the example of the Class 26/27 who ran (I've read) mostly in Scotland... if the Scottish lines are already build then you won't see them outside of a railtour add on maybe.

 

The people who voted " good " or " excellent " must have recently arrived from a distant planet.

Sure there was lots of diesel loco hauled content in the early days of TSW, but nothing much recently except the ubiquitous Class 66, some reused items and a couple of dmus from 3rd parties.

I don't think diesels like the Class 50 or 55 or even electric locos like the 71/76/77 or 85/86 are any more a part of DTG's future plans than are steam locos.

 

Station piloting


Or as a quirky isle of wight add on

 

Yes I can remember watching the CL03s pottering about at Ipswich with their match trucks. Those were the days

Funnily enough I want to add some extra paths to the IOW route and was thinking of making a livery to match the one above when I made up a short engineers train for the route.

Personally I think it would be great to have another shunter in-game. Not everything was handled by CL08s (especially not in East Anglia).

 

It's a tricky one, we do have a decent offering but it could be better (well it could always be better). I do think that even just the addition of one or maybe two new types will open up so many new opportunities for new timetables/layers without the need for a new route (though a new route would be much welcome).
For example a Class 56 could be used on North Trans Pennine, Tyne Valley and Blackpool Branches in BR era, MML in the EWS era (ECML to a lesser extent) and even on Brighton Main Line for short aggregates workings. The same could also apply to the Class 60 (though as far as NTP goes it would be a slight timewarp but very valid for the other routes mentioned with the addition of GWR).

Rats could again easily drop onto NTP and BPO (maybe Tyne Valley, not sure on that one) and MML if they did a historic route overlay type deal. Deltics could again be layered onto NTP and also be available for the WSR in a heritage role, if they did a historic route patch then they'd work on the ECML too. Pretty much the same for the Class 50s and Hydraulics, they'd work on the heritage line and a historic GWR route patch.

Even a Class 67 could theoretically be used on the Fife Circle, ECML and GWR routes if a slightly older timetable was offered, though they'd have to offer either new coaching stock in either some TPO vehicles or MkII Aircons...

A lot of new options for just the addition of a single loco, now if say a 68 or 88 was introduced there wouldn't be a suitable route off the bat to use them with, this would reduce the likely sales numbers unless a new route was provided to go with them.

I welcome any new UK rolling stock, though preferably BR era stuff and even more preferably not to be more single handed driving style modern units...

 

i rated it because there is a good amount of diesel loco's
the voted question should have been worded differently

a lot more then german diesel loco's

more steam and diesel would be better but we know that DTG prefers mostly modern trains
hopely that will change with the increasing amount of 3rd party Developers

 

Lousy, as well as the above mentions, no Class 120 dmmu.
No Metrovik or Baby Deltic. It's always the same old main stream stuff in TSW and TSC.
DTG couldn't even get the 117 right in TSC, even after having Paul's original to work from.

 

It's poor based on the lack of anything for years, 170 and 158? No diesel locos for a long time.

 

I think some more DMUs could be good. 220/221 and 185 and maybe 180 for example. 156.
Freight needs more modern ones, 70 for example.

 

I think it’s quite fairly mixed, no real issue

sure there’s bound to be certain train fans who want to see what ain’t out but same can be said for all types of traction.

 

A 156 bundle with a handful of TOC liveries (Northern, EMT, Scotrail, Reigonal railways) Would be ideal for populating some of the existing routes, maybe something JT or skyhook could work on?

 

For me the issue is that whether diesel or electric, we haven't seen any locos for years.

There are no electric locos, and the diesel locos were added 5 years ago or more.

One of the problems with modern electric multiple units is that they are all much of a muchness.

We need some electric locos, and there are still lots of diesel locos that really need a presence too. Hopefully that is something that might be addressed with the ongoing JT project.

 

UK electric has much more than 7:
313, 314, 323, 375, 377, 385, 387, 395, 465, 483, 484, 700, 710, 801, 1938 Tube Stock, 1972 Tube Stock, and, soon, the 380. (15 + 1)

Likewise, Diesel has:
08, 09, 20, 31, 33, 37, 40, 43, 45, 47, 52, 66, 101, 142, 150, 158, 166, 170 - and, soon, the 104. (18 + 1)

So the imbalance isn't really that heavy.

 

The current offerings are reasonably fair but there are many gaps with classes not yet represented where they should/could be included. There are already so many classes that would make for superb dlc before we even start to look at any upcoming routes. More frequent locomotive dlc packs would be nice now that we have so many 3rd party developers joining TSW. Hopefully it will start to ramp up soon.

 

Compare it to the amount of Dutch Diesel locos in game. There is one DB lok referring the the Netherlands and the class 08 ressembes an old Dutch Dielsel engine if you create a nice new livery and revove AWS. So what are you complaining about?

 

There are more diesels than electrics on the network irl compared to in TSW.

 

Personally, modern(ish) UK locos would be day 1 buys for me.
I don't care if diesel or electric. Don't care too much for BR Blue era.

 

I selected fair as it is a fair amount....but we could always do with more, how the 50,55 and 56 haven't appeared yet is genuinely confusing, or a type two like the 24 or 25. Plenty have been preserved so it's always possible to try and arrange a visit

 

Well, we have a better selection of diesels compared to electric locos or vintage EMUs...

 

Electric Locos would be nice.

 

It has been decreed there isn't a market for these locos. Access should be fairly straightforward. Class 50s are in abundance in preservation thanks to BR management and scrapyards selling them on. 56 is a bit of a puzzler although the problem is the main operating companies may not play licensing ball and only one now in preservation iirc. 24s and 25s though are all over the place especially 25s. But again no market. If only TSW had come out in 1981 then we would have a huge motive power selection but alas we wait for the next EMU instead.