Ice 1 Shuts Down And Unable To Reset

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  1. Perks390

    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    I've had the following issue twice now and I'm not sure what it is I'm doing wrong.
    During the lonely road scenario, I arrived at the first loop where you stop and I accidentally put the brake into emergency. I was unable to release it but I know what I did wrong now since the post about brake release. Whilst I was stopped though, all the cab instruments turned off along with safety systems as if I had either keyed out (I'm not sure if screens go off if I do that?) or the battery was turned off. After that, I gave up and quit. I played a service mode run (started on foot at Fulda) and took a train to Kassel just fine, I've now taken over a service to return me to Fulda (I believe it might be the same train which has gone off map and returned as all the safety systems were turned on still) but I've ended up hitting the same problem as previously described where the screens have gone blank. I've managed to get them back on by pressing the 'Cab Change' button but I'm unable to release the brakes. It's showing BP as 0.1bar. I've done everything the guide said, but the brake pipe just won't build up. It's as if there's something causing an emergency brake application somewhere.
     
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    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    A further update, I'm able to get brake release from the other cab but no luck in the lead cab.
     
  3. These are overly complicated to drive. I done a tutorial twice and still can't get the hang of it.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Once stopped, press the HLL Fill button to recharge the brake pipe to 5 bar, then continue as normal.
     
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    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    That's not working for me, the brake pipe remains at 0.1 bar. The second time this happened was after taking over from an AI driver, although, the first time that wasn't the case as it was a scenario.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Can you record a video of it going wrong and i'll try and advise (or talk to Setup team about a fix) - I tried an emergency stop earlier and the hll fill button rapidly brought the brake pipe back up.

    Ping me a video (here or DM up to you) and I will see what I can do to help.

    Matt.
     
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    I'll try and see if I can get it to happen again, I might not be able to get a video before it happens as it seems to be somewhat random.
     
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    Other posts here say this only works if you set both throttle and brake levers to zero before pressing the HLL. This seems counter-intuitive as you'd want to make sure once you do bring the brake pipe back up to pressure, that the train doesn't just roll away when the brakes do come off!!
     
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    Both were set at zero when I was trying to reset so I don't believe that's the issue. It's as if something is causing the brake pipe to vent (such as emergency plunger) and I can't reset it or find out what's venting it.
     
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    If you're on a grade, set the parking brake.
     
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    I've had this happen to me a couple times. Place the reverser in OFF, then press the Cab Change button on the wall behind you. When you place the controller in Forward again, everything should come back alive.
     
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    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    I've not been able to reproduce it during the scenario, I'll go through what I did in service mode when it happened:
    • Spawned on foot at Fulda and wandered around for about 10 minutes.
    • Took over ICE374 after the AI driver had released the doors.
    • Drove to Kassel, no issues with all safety systems on. On my approach into Kassel station, I turned AFB off.
    • Service complete and returned into free roam. Got off the train and wondered around. Two minutes later pop-up asked if I wanted to give up service and I clicked yes. AI took over, did its station duties and then set off.
    • Wondered around until ICE279 showed up.
    • Took over from AI driver a few seconds into the service (AI hadn't opened doors yet). Noticed all the safety systems except AFB were still on, so assuming it was the same train I'd just driven.
    • Released the doors and tried getting my brake pipe to build up to roughly 4 bar (whatever the minimum pressure for doors being open is). Couldn't get pressure to build up, when I pressed HLL fill pressure increased to only 0.1 bar. Screens also went blank shortly after attempting this. Tried keying out and in, but no luck. Tried removing the brake key and reinserting it, but still no luck. Reset all the safety systems, and checked the rear cab for anything being active. The screens came back on after pressing the Cab Change button on the back wall and moved reverser but still no brake release.
     
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    The screens come back on but the brake pipe still remains at 0.1 bar, in addition, the traction lock on HUD is also red and doesn't clear.
     
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    As mentioned above, press the HLL Fill button on the right side of the console.
     
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    When you intend to take over a train friom AI that you have driven before you give it to AI, you need to leave it with the correct procedure for cab change. The thing is, as soon as the reverser gets set to Off when you not pressed the cab change button before, an emergency valve will open and stays open until you complete the procedure on the same head. When the train moves into a portal, comes back not flipped, you normally using the other cab then. So you sit in a correct setup cab but the emergency valve on the rear heads cab is still open. When you want to leave a ICE1 head safely do these steps:
    - press the cab change button on the rear wall BEFORE you move the reverser to OFF, it should lit up
    - set reverser to Off and wait until displays go off (cab is now deactivated safely, maybe check HLL pressure not dropping to 0).
    - now lock the brake with the brake key
    - remove reverser
    Then you an leave/change the cab.
    AI takes that in account to, but not when the valve is already open. AI does not press the HLL fill button by its self then what would be needed.
     
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    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    I am doing but still won't release.

    The train returned flipped from the portal, so rear cab remained untouched and inactive, but I'll still try the steps listed above next time and see how it goes. :)
     
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    If we are already dealing with the topic of ICE 1, I would like to ask a question.
    Seat adjustment doesn't work.
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    Can we somehow still do it afterwards, that you can adjust the seat forwards, backwards, up and down?
    I mean, only I noticed that you sit quite far away from the table:|
     
  18. AtherianKing

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    Yea the chair is quite far from desk, makes it hard to see anything on the monitors
     
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  19. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    ok I tried your method when changing ends, and it worked in the way that the other end (non-lead lets call it) got activated and worked, mostly... the thing is, while the acceleration on the lead end was normal, on the non-lead end it was somehow sluggish and the needle of the throttle on the display didnt move, just shows power applied... any tips?
     
  20. theroyalau#4851

    theroyalau#4851 New Member

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    The thing is, I have an ICE 1 Light Locomotive that likes to apply the brakes through the Lonely Road Scenario.

    Every time I apply power, the brakes get applied to 2.7, I don't know what this is in PSI, then it begins to slow the Locomotive down.

    Also, PZB/LZB is not working, and this Locomotive is speed restricted to 87mph even though the track speed is 175mph.

    Even though I have applied the power, halfway through the scenario, the power in the Locomotive goes out, power indicator box goes Red, with the power still at 10, or 100% Throttle.

    This scenario as a result is unplayably bugged.
     
  21. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    that's weird as I played through it and completed it a couple days ago. the train is indeed limited by LZB to 140 km/h. I suppose a loose power unit brakes not as well as a full ICE set. PZB/LZB worked fine for me slowing me down for wherever it needed to. I indeed had the applied power indicator go to full braking after the second stop but the train still drove fine. it did brake slowly like it was in braking mode 2 as soon as I turned off the throttle to coast. it was weird but I suppose even if it's broken for the scenario an interesting introduction to the expert 101 faults that can occur :D

    I wouldn't say it's unplayably bugged it's completely fine if you keep the throttle at 8-15% to slowly coast uphill and downhill to 5%. the limited line speed by LZB is slow if you are used to going 250 or 280 there with it normally but I suppose it's realistic. and apart from that it's totally completable at gold or platinum, I forgot which one I got.
     

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