Ice 3(m) (403/406) Safety System Expansion

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  1. arjan.dik

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    The launch of the ICE 3M had been a succes for the SKA. However with the LGV and SEH released since, the DB BR 406 starts to seem outdated. The voltage system is only 15kV and should be 1,5 kV, 3 kV, 15 kV and 25 kV. As for Safety system, Dovetail should look into it for ATB, TBL, Memor, KVB and TVM for the 406 and added ETCS to the 403. What do you say?
     
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  2. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    A good idea, but as long as there are no routes on which to use these systems, it will be of little use. This only starts to make sense when a route on which these systems are neccesary is released. In addition to that, not al BR 406 trains are capable of travelling in France, only a few ICE 3MF sets have KVB and TVM if I recall correctly.
     
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  3. seandouglas

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    It'll be good to have just to future-proof the train rather than have to build a whole new one for a route in, for example, Belgium, Netherlands or France.
     
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  4. Jo_Kim

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    Yes the ICE 3MF had KVB and TVM installed, but since the ICE 3MS (BR 407) entered service these units have been converted back to normal ICE 3M and equipped with ETCS. ATBL (ATB and TBL combined in one unit) will only be implemented if there are routes that use these systems otherwise this would be completely useless. Memor would be an option but Crocodile hasn't even been implemented on the TGV yet and Memor needs some minor additions to Crocodile.
    I would rather like to see an implementation of LZB on existing rolling stock and the introduction of max. draw distance under LZB. Real LZB guided trains display only a limited distance in front of the train, depending on their allowed max. speed on the line. In the game, LZB displays to infinity and therefore always displays the next speed restriction while the real LZB would only do so a few kilometers before said restriction.
     
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  5. arjan.dik

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    I believe only the trains with 4680 or higher can head to France. However, all trains are capable of going into Belgium and The Netherlands.
     
  6. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Good point and for the France bound services the DB BR406 MF can be pooled in timetable mode with SNCF TGV POS & 2N2s since they also operate France to Germany services. Keep in mind you need to deactivate TVM-430 KVB then turn on SIFA PZB/LZB at Forbach if the Scenario/Timetable mode requires you to do Paris-Forbach-Saarbrucken-Mannheim-Frankfurt. If France Bound Forbach also marks the end PZB/LZB SIFA German signaling into French TVM-430 KVB the exception is that ETCS is enabled all the way to Paris from Frankfurt. That border station marks a 25kv 15kv boundary for railway overhead wire votlage. The exception is Strasbourg area where you use the 2010 Rhine Railway Bridge as change over to 15kv when going to Germany from France the reverse is 25kv from Germany to France Germany. New Strasbourg-Kehl bridge link is https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11969371
     
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  7. arjan.dik

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    If you wanna get to Liege, Aachen HBF gets to be a switch, you need to change voltage while stationary.
     
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  8. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for telling me about Köln-Aachen Liege Route to where the voltage change was. I was thinking of the Frankfurt to Paris route where it's done on the move either Forbach or Strasbourg Kehl Bridge if the faster LGV Est line is used end to end then you actually change from the French 25kv 50hz into German 15kv 16.7hz . Speaking of Aachen to Liege route do you enable TBL & Memor Belgian train safety systems on at Aachen stop or not? The reverse is TBM Memor off PZB/LZB Sifa on at Aachen.
     
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  9. arjan.dik

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    They usually don't isolate the systems. Sometimes systems switch, while in motion.
     
  10. Jo_Kim

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    The systems always run in the background. Most systems can run in the background because they do not conflict with other onboard safety systems. To avoid confusion the displays for all safety systems that are not used are turned off. This is coupled to the voltage selection. Therefore trains like the ICE don't have a selection list of voltages but actually a selection of networks.
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    PS: Safety systems that would be turned off in other countries would be for example the Czech LS system or the Dutch ATB system as they limit the max. speed below the threshold that would be allowed in other countries.
     
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  11. solicitr

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    Oddly, multiple voltage selection is implemented in of all things the MRCE 185.5.
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  12. driverwoods#1787

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    Thanks for the Picture that can mean that if you own the ICE3 DB406 MF or DB BR 407 DLC if made you should be able to play them LGV Méditerranée since you'll be able to use SNCF 25kv LGV & SNCF 1.5kv DC wires as part of the Timetable Marseille-Lyon-Strasbourg-Karshule-Frankfurt service if you also own another Future DLC route Strasbourg-Karshule-Mannheim the Rhine Valley transborder.
     
  13. Jo_Kim

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    They are capable of running on these lines. I don't remember if there were plans of extending the ICE network to Marseille, but at the moment all trains on line 84 (Frankfurt-Karlsruhe-Strabourg-Lyon-Marseille) are TGV 2N2.
    As already mentioned the ICE 3MF does not exist anymore. And the ICE 3MS only runs to Paris Est at the moment.
     
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    DB scuttled its plan to run the ICE to London via the tunnel, so that was a potential route through France that won't happen.
     

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