Ice-t Cab Not Tilting The Pov.

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  1. 749006

    749006 Well-Known Member

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    When you drive the APT or the Newer Class 390 and the train goes around a curve at speed it tilts and the drivers POV tilts with it.
    Screenshot_Munich to Augsburg_48.22126-11.10448_11-47-00.jpg

    Screenshot_2.jpg
    But the ICE-T does not - the driver stays in the same position relative to the track and not the cab

    Anyone know how to fix it
     
  2. torfmeister

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    But the horizon is tilted on both screenshots. Not sure if trying the same cab camera spring and damping values would do the trick, seems there's something else possibly script-related coming into play here.
     
  3. triznya.andras

    triznya.andras Well-Known Member

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    Both screenshots are British (note the AWS sunflower), and I suppose it's as described, APT and 390 respectively.
    I see the second one is less tilted than the train.
    Sounds like the authors didn't agree whether and how much the head should tilt. As such, it should tilt in every type of train to offset the curve, as we normally tilt our heads and bodies to counter the force and keep our brains centered, including in steam and Class 37.
     
  4. Maik Goltz

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    When the camera is not tilting there is a missing entry in the engine blueprint at AnimatedBodyNodeName. This needs a object/node/bone name from the actual 3d mesh that tilts with the body. Could be anything that is parented underneath the body mesh object itself.
     
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  5. torfmeister

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    I think the point is the cab stays horizontal in relation to the camera in the APT, while in the ICE-T it rotates.
     
  6. torfmeister

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    Thanks for sharing vital information. And thanks for the brilliant Rübelandbahn (just purchased) - it really captures the atmosphere of that era!

    Yeah, there's issues with the APT. I've fixed the wrong wiper animation reference in the Cold and Dark version, leading to rain staying on the windscreen. Also cab camera spring/damping had bad parameters leading to massive zigzagging.
     
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    I thought I had a picture of the ICE tilting but I have too many others to find it.

    In this view the train is rolling to the right on a left had curve
    Screenshot_Munich to Garmisch_47.51405-11.10727_10-33-35.jpg
    In this one the drivers seat is parallel to the track as the train body tits to the right
    Screenshot_Munich to Garmisch_47.53797-11.11694_10-35-01.jpg

    When DTG made the newer Class 390 somebody looked at the files and realised the older S9BL version could be made to act correctly.

    Dave Dewhurst on UKTS gave this info.
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    Not been able to replicate it with the ICE-T though

    Peter
     
  8. torfmeister

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    So which behaviour do you prefer then (APT or ICE-T)?
     
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    ATP - with the ICE-T it is like leaning in to a curve on a bike but staying upright
     
  10. torfmeister

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    Agreed.

    So checking files. DTG\Class370Pack01 has <AnimatedBodyNodeName>Body

    DTG\LeipzigRiesa
    's ICET has that field empty.

    I think the SuperVoyager suffers from the same issue... not sure
     
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  11. Maik Goltz

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    Try to enter "balancin_activo" into the empty field and save and serz it. Should work.
     
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  12. torfmeister

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    I'll try. "Body" did not work. Spotted balancin_activo in the Geo, will report back. :)

    749006 while you're at it, reduce the AFB lever DigitalInputSensitivity to 0.25 ;)
     
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  13. torfmeister

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    Unfortunately, the cab now tilts to the opposite direction - looks weird. In fact it looks as if the cab does not tilt at all, but the camera does.

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  14. torfmeister

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    Issue solved!

    I found the correct node name: it is "pivot" :)

    Files to edit:
    ICE_CabCar_411-0.bin
    ICE_CabCar_411-0_nd.bin
    ICE_CabCar_411-5.bin
    ICE_CabCar_411-5_nd.bin

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    Thanks - gives me something to do this afternoon :)
     
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    So I modified the files and did an over-speed run on the Munchen - Garmisch route
    For some reason most of the vehicles don't always tilt with the exception of the rear power car that always tilts.


    Screenshot_Munich to Garmisch_47.57614-11.16323_10-37-23.jpg

    Screenshot_Munich to Garmisch_47.59507-11.18466_10-39-03.jpg

    Screenshot_Munich to Garmisch_47.59798-11.18281_10-39-20.jpg

    Peter
     
  17. torfmeister

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    Well, can't confirm this for Dresden. The whole train is tilting.
    If an ICE-T would run to Garmisch at the speed you're driving (can't judge because no HUD) I don't know - also I don't know the limits of the Tilting mechanism, but seeing the wrong direction of tilt in the second picture I'd say you just went over the top. :)

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    I gave the LR set a run over the Academy figure of 8 test track which is a 140mph
    Until I reached about 90 mph the lead coach tilted the wrong way - above that it corrected itself
    Screenshot_Academy_52.05490--0.49798_12-01-32.jpg
    Screenshot_Academy_52.05780--0.48796_12-04-13.jpg
    Screenshot_Academy_52.06098--0.48850_12-02-03.jpg

    The lead coach was the 2nd class but I'm not sure if that was the 411-0 or the 411-5

    Peter
     
  19. torfmeister

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    I'm not sure if you have messed up the blueprints. The train works fine and the cab camera POV is fixed.

    Working fine on my end - Academy 8. Nice full train tilt.

    2023-03-04 23_00_47-Train Simulator (x64).png 2023-03-04 23_02_54-Train Simulator (x64).png 2023-03-04 23_02_34-Train Simulator (x64).png
     
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    On your run you are doing 121mph - the wrong side tilt appears at speeds below 90mph.
     
  21. torfmeister

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    It takes a short tilt in the opposite direction on Academy track, well, yeah. But for me the whole train does - I don't see the cab car doing different movement than the passenger coaches. Is this a preload consist or have you put it together yourself / flipped a car?

    I recall from some other thread that the Academy trackrule has an <Unevenness> of 20 by default, maybe it's related to that. Anyway, it's working well on normal high speed lines where it's supposed to be running, so I won't go further here. :)
     
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    It was the default PreLoad consist from Liepzig - Reisa.
    The 411.5 - 2nd class Driving Car, has always behaved differently to the other vehicles in the consist.

    Thanks for sorting out the "pivot" answer :)
     
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  23. triznya.andras

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    I recall the same driving the ICE-T anywhere. (For some reason I thought I drove the TD, but no, it's the MG one, silly me.)
    More precisely, it was Hamburg-Hannover then like the Acela, got MG scenarios with TS 2015. Like a 2016 prototype. :)
     
  24. rxeceath#9194

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    I have the exact same issue. Have you found a solution yet?
     

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