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Impossible To Derail A Train?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ethan TX, Mar 15, 2019.

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  1. Ethan TX

    Ethan TX New Member

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    Hi;
    I wanted to experiment with the new Hudson Line on TS19. Specifically, I was curious about how fast a southbound train could take the Spuyten Duyvil curve. The speed limit is 30 mph. I am sure you are all aware of the horrific crash that occurred there in December 2013 when a train hit the curve going 80 mph.
    So I wanted to find out how realistic TS2019 is in regards to physics.
    In order to accomplish my experiment, I needed to disable ATC (Ctrl-D).
    Well, after my experiments, it looks like it is impossible to derail a train in this sim - at least by overspeed.
    I hit the curve going 90 mph and the train did not leave the rails.

    What gives here?
    ET
     
  2. Gordon7000

    Gordon7000 Active Member

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    Ethan, attempting to derail / crash a train is not encouraged. Licenses for loco / train branding are issued to train sim developers on the understanding that the owner or operators' branded stock will not be abused or misrepresented. The real life train operators do not approve of their brand liveried trains - represented in train sim - being used in crash scenarios, as they consider this may shed a negative light on their real train safety or security.
     
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  3. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I've dumped a class 33 in the Swale on the Sheerness extension by doing 90MPH round a shallow banked curve just before the bridge.
    Derailing is definitely possible, though maybe not how it would be in real life
     
  4. Ethan TX

    Ethan TX New Member

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    Interesting. I seem to recall asking a similar question over in the Trainz forum several years ago, and received a similar answer, although nothing as specific as licensing that you stated.
    I understand, and respect that, but it was never my intention to create an arcade type scenario from TS19 (or T:ANE or whatever sim). I have been very curious ever since that tragic morning in December 2013, especially since I am a frequent (but not regular) rider of that line.

    So, I guess if I really want to do crash sims, I need to get a job with the NTSB and run it on their software. Actually, that would be a pretty interesting job, but I don't have any of the qualifications for that type of work.

    BTW: I do have a question about the real-life Hudson Line.
    The speed limits. Does the speed really drop from 75 to 45 (running south) at CP12, then go back up to 75 for the short distance to the 30 mph curve at Spuyten Duyvil? Before they installed PTC, it would seem a recipe for disaster.
     
  5. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    So, they prefer to do it themselves?
     
  6. Brutalist Ape

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    It is definitely possible to crash on Train Simulator. I've crashed a number of times. You have to be going extremely fast though. Typically one can expect to come off the rails at speeds of around 90mph and higher if you hit a sharp enough curve. One instance where this is possible is on the Riviera line near Dawlish and Teignmouth. There are some curves there where you will come off the track if you are going too fast.
     
  7. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I derailed yesterday... Doing a HST divert scenario I hit a set of 40MPH points doing about 80... managed the first curve fine, second curve tipped it over.
     
  8. Brutalist Ape

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    This happened when I entered the platform at Falmouth too fast (I was going about 60mph when I hit the end of the line)

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  9. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I see a possible "picture of the week" theme in our future :D
     
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  10. LeadCatcher

    LeadCatcher Well-Known Member

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    You can derail in this simulation - In most cases you get a pop up message stating the fact you have derailed then the scenario ends.
     
  11. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    Very quickly -- probably to prevent taking a screenshot.
     
  12. Brickrail782

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    I think I saw in the developer documents that changing the center of mass to a negative value will make it impossible for a train to derail by going around a curve too fast. Maybe the engine in question has a negative center of mass?
     

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