Or will the GEML scenarios and other scenarios featuring the GEML Class 360 forever be unplayable due to vigilance alarm that can't be turned off?
The Class 360 featured with the GEML route add-on, has a "functionality" called a vigilance alert. This means that after a certain time, it'll start beeping Dadadadadadadadadadada, and if it's not cancelled, the train will go into emergency. The GEML route manual claims that this vigilance alarm can be cancelled with the Enter key, however this is not the case in-game, mashing Enter as soon as the beeping starts does diddly squat. That means you'll end up with multiple emergency applications during a scenario that you have no way to prevent, and of course makes it utterly impossible to complete any timed scenarios, career scenarios can be forgotten about as well. This is a pretty serious bug and should have pretty high priority to fix, as it in pracitce means DTG are selling a broken product.
yes, the one on the number pad. It doesn't matter though, saving a scenario then reloading means train instantly goes into emergency. Forget this add-on, it's totally broken.
Where does it say that?...the copy I have nor the one available from the Steam store page have no mention of it.
Just tried this, and numpad enter (not "return" next to letters) worked fine? Turned it off - no emergency breaking? (I mean i do agree that you should be able to turn off the system, but numpad enter does work? ) Going through the controls in the inputmapper at least confirms to reset it is numpad enter though - but it shows that's it's not broken?
So you can drive the 360 and you can cancel the DSD. If you wish to do a Save then Stop the train first, place the Brakes On and the Direction Switch in Neutral. You are complaining that you cannot do something in the sim that cannot be done in real life.
Neither am I, but pressing 'Q', using the HUD or the AWS reset in the cab work for me when the DVD sounds.
Nothing wrong with the 360 it’s been out for years and never been a problem. It does help to read the manuals to learn of features and key binds.
But not if you seem to have an old version of the manual....no mention of any key bindings in my copy, nor in the one available from the Steam store page.
The one that is downloaded with the DLC absolutely does contain the keybinds; I have attached it to this message. However, the version available on Steam does not have the keybinds, presumably being an earlier version of the manual.
Which nicely explains why my copy doesn't have that information---for me, GEML is kept away from bring updated/verified/messed with by Steam as it's very non-standard.
Unless you've been manually deleting/replacing the manuals I'm not sure what's going on, as that manual hasn't been changed in ages and certainly wouldn't have been for at least seven years.
can confirm the same just had a look at the manual and it is on page 10 of mine this is after i uninstalled and reinstalled the route through steam.
The first Manual, v1, for on my computer GEML is dated 14/11/2013 and is called GEML London - Ipswich Manual.pdf I have a newer version, v2, which is called GEML London Ipswich.pdf and is dated 25/01/2016 As people have spotted the version 2 has newer information about the key bindings
I only seem to have a file called GEML London Ipswich.pdf, which must mean if there was an original it was removed from the steam side. (this one "GEML London - Ipswich Manual.pdf" must have been a typo or something but it was 2014 so i don't know ) (although a rarity, in a full credit list - I can't remember what i did for scenarios though! )
GEML London-Ipswich Route Continuing a saved game on the GEML London-Ipswich route without letting the Class 360 EMU train fully enter emergency braking. ===== As soon as the saved game starts, pay attention, put the reverse to forward, put the combined throttle and brake at 0, as soon as you hear the AWS alarm press Q, now you can increase the accelerator, you will lose a little speed in this, but nothing that affects the scenarios. Regarding permanently disabling the vigilance alarm, it is possible with changes in the project.
In theory you'd be able to modify the train to disable the system - I have no idea how to do that though.
And so far in all the time the DLC has been released, 11 years and counting, a fix has not been made. That to me says it is something in the script for the 360 stopping a mod from taking place.
....because nobody's needed to??? One guy having bother doesn't mean there's been a fault in the 360 for a decade.
Generally I agree with you, although I think it is good design to have DVD implemented as an optional safety system rather than forcing it on. I'd say the same for AWS and all other signalling systems, but as far as I'm aware AWS is hard-coded into TS and cannot be turned off. Additionally I think the 360 is not a very good train in TS, with an old model, ugly texturing, and poor sounds that are slightly helped by the long discontinued AP SP, but that's besides the point.
Agreed, but when it was released a decade or so ago it was more than adequate. OK, the DVD can be turned off in exceptional circumstances, but the driver doesn't have the option of running without it just because it annoys him. As a group, you/we/they need to sort out just what level of accuracy is wanted/acceptable.
isnt it incredible. People complain that default trains are to basic. DTG add real life features and people complain about them.
Did USRailFan try this way to turn it off? From the manual. Emergency Alarm is active o Deactivate the vigilance alarm if active by pressing the Numpad Enter key. o Move the combined power / brake to the emergency position and release to deactivate the emergency alarm.
I have the AP Class 350 Enhancement Pack and you can turn off the Vigilance Alarm off by using the enter key on the num pad.
i would edit the post out as that is suggesting something and the admin are getting pretty hot on even discussing such topics that may assist others in seeking such things out.
From the page "and VisualAlerts for AWS/DVD when outside the cab – no more missing that DVD!" You just get an external reminder of the DVD Activation - it does not switch it off.
So, if that is a different train then I can confirm that I can reset the Vigilant Alarm by using the enter key on the num keypad for the GEML Class 360 scenarios. Perhaps UsRailFan has a faulty keyboard.
But it doesn't turn it off, just acknowledges and re-sets the system; it will sound again if the controls aren't moved.
Yeah Steve, if the stock supports it. It could be that the 360 only emulates a DVD system using the standard AWS scripting, and of course a different warning sound, triggered on a timer basis.
I'll take a look as soon as the time permits, busy weekdays, weekends where I can enjoy the hobby. But I can say that I can make the Class 360 much better. When I simulated on Sunday, I saw errors, not even the DVD is recognizing that you are moving the combined power and brake, if it were correct there wouldn't even be a need for a function to turn off the DVD completely. Every 60 seconds it keeps beeping and you only have about 3 to 4 seconds to apply AWS (Q) or Reset DVD (Numpad Enter). On most EMUs it also recognizes the horn as a check, the man is not dead. In other words, this Class 360 is terrible in terms of realism for real life.
Nobody's saying that it's a perfect representation of the DVD system, and it does look more likely from the above that it's just a re-work of the AWS function to give the impression that DVD is in place. Once again, when released nobody found fault so is it fair to be so critical of a 10 year old model?
