Is there any reason why there is not a single german stadler train made by DTG? All we have are made from rivet games and these are not even used for german routes. Stadler rail is a big manufacturer besides Siemens or Alstom, so why does TSW still miss them. Im also questioning why DTG seems to avoid Stadler as there are 2 Routes that use them as the main stock. I understand why Rosenheim was set before the Flirt 3 Emus, so they could introduce the Br 111, but for Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn there wont be a comletely new loco, even if a Flirt 3 would make perfect sense. (maybe December brings something idk) Now with "avoiding Stadler" i mean they set every route a year or two before any Flirt or something like that could run there. Its understandable that most of the community seems to wish for older locos at the moment, but that we dont even have a Flirt 2,3 or Kiss 1 is a bit dissapointing. Maybe there is a reason for that? If someone has info about that, i would appreciate it. I dont know if everything above counts for the UK or US as i have only knowledge about the german content. Thanks
Not avoiding them at all - but sometimes the licensing for the operators that run them is non trivial and its easier to just side step it by going a couple of years earlier and focus on other aspects. Matt.
If we’ll ever have the Caltrain line remaster then it’ll be the first American Stadler in the game. The Kiss will be a great addition to TSW.
Caltrain (Stadler KISS) Metrolink Arrow Service (Stadler FLIRT) Trinity Rail (Stadler FLIRT) DART (Stadler FLIRT) 2 of these operators DTG has worked with in the past, so its possible.
In most cases (Mannheim-Kaiserslautern being the notable exception) new Stadler trains were introduced by new, non-DB operators. I would assume it's really about operator licensing, not about who built the train.
I believe that's correct. Licensing issues are almost always with TOCs, not manufacturers (not couting "ID" items like Siemens' Vectron grille- note that DTG did wind up getting a branding licence from Siemens). Conversely, note that on just about every piece of rolling stock other than the Vectron, builders' plates and logos are removed or genericized. The fact is that the only German TOC DTG has had a deal with was DB, until just now with Flix; operators like Abellio etc who run Stadlers aren't in the mix. Note however that the RABe 523 in Luzern-Sursee is a FLIRT, so plainly Stadler licensing isn't an issue.
I know you're focused on German usage but.... What about the Class 68, (the Eurolight) which is a Stadler after they signed with Vossloh? I'm not sure if Direct Rail is a licensing issue, but we have plenty of Scottish routes so it'd fit on even Fife and Glasgow already. The UK also has the Class 88 which is a "Euro Dual" I think it's called. Again, Direct Rail I believe. Or the Class 99 which is... GB Freight? I think there's one more but I forget what it's called with some other operator in the UK. They also seem to be used in several places in Switzerland. Finally, there are a surprising number around the United States and Canada. So if licensing is an issue in Germany, there are other options too if you want to see a Stadler?
To keep the topic on Germany (which I guess were the intention of OP): It's not only about locos by Stadler, but rather a generic problem to get more MUs of Germany into the game. There is a similar situation for the very popular Alstom's Lint family (BR 640/648), which is (in short time were, because they're currently about to be replaced by battery locos type Siemens Mireo B or H or the hydrogen-fueled type, the iLint) so heavily in use across diesel lines in Germany. (As a small side note from me here, DTG please try to preserve some reference material before they got dumped on trash, even if you have no fitting route yet. Don't know if the material obtained for the TSC route Norddeutsche Bahn: Kiel-Lübbeck is sufficient to use in TSW) Main issue why these locos are not in-game yet and still a bit unlikely to come into it is because they are mainly used by private operators, with whom DTG needs to have an agreement with in order to use their brand but also very importantly, is able to obtain reference material and recordings. And many private operators resist to provide licenses and/or access to their locos, unfortunately. This is not DTG's nor the manufacturer's fault. Another issue coming along is the use-on-long-term thing, when layering a MU with the livery of a certain private operator to another future DTG route. The lines and area a specific operator is active on and thus route opportunites are given, is limited. Instead if DTG creates a DB Regio loco, you might be able to use it on a wider variety of routes across Germany. So avoiding private operators (and their MUs) by setting the era a few years backwards in time, is reasonable to me. However, dependent upon some operators with wider area, a collection of technical and economical viable options are given and I'm one of those who says more private operators (with their locos) in the game would be very nice, representing Germany in a better way since more and more lines in Germany are privately operated. The Siemens Desiro Classic (BR 642) which came with Maintalbahn had a better fate to end up in Train Sim World (and is likely to be used in future routes), because 642s are heavily in use by DB Regio and could easily be used somewhere else (minding a slight change to the Westfrankenbahn livery of course). While Lints and Stadlers are used by DB Regio too, not close as much as the Desiro Classic. So future's bright for the 642. Not even speaking about the 628, the DMU workhorse of DB, for decades and still running. Keep up, old girl, Keep up! You do great I'm happy that we got at least the opportunity with some add-ons for Train Sim Classic to drive Lint 41s and Stadler KISS MU locos.
I would like more private companies too, altough it would be nice to for now get at least one of them, so we can get those locos in our hands. For Licensing, as an example the TSC Frankfurt Koblenz route includes the SüWex Flirt 3 and even tough its not 100% sure, maybe DTG starts with operators that already worked with them. SüWex could be used for pfälzische too, but this is unimportant as its seems to already be not an option anymore. The 648 Lint is something that gets used in northern germany often and from DB Regio. Erixx is a part of DB as far as i know(could be wrong). I also think its not an excuse to avoid private companys because it could be a bit more expensive. I wouldnt mind if DTG would release Private company loco dlcs like they did with Flixtrain.
I do like the 68s and 88s, but the longer those abominations that are the Flirts stay out of the game the better.
I used to work with a chap in the Swindon Control who is now a Train Manager (Guard to you and me) over in East Anglia. Certainly when first introduced the Flirts were rapidly nicknamed "Basils" after Basil Fawlty due to their unerring tendency to keep failing in traffic! While appreciating the OP's enthusiasm for the type and given the Flirt we have in Luzern to Sursee was done by Rivet, they are just another souless, modern, near silent EMU. Think one of the Rhine routes in TSC has the Flirt as the main traction and I was so bored after about 10 minutes I had to abandon the run.
If that's the case, then we should be taking the opposite approach. Instead of going from trains to operators, we should be asking what operators are on board to working with DTG, then looking at where they operate with what rolling stock. Otherwise we're just tossing ideas out there that are 100% going to be shot down, but we don't know that because we don't know who is off limits for licensing. Currently it seems like a very inefficient and frustratingly backwards way of doing things. Can we get a list of "acceptable" operators to work from and identify what would be more likely to be accepted by DTG?
Hate to say it Vern but even I have been brain washed with TM these days! They didn't earn themselves the greatest reputation, I rather like the 'Basils' nickname, and it has stuck really, someone I know who also works in Anglia still longs for the Sprinters back and all he used to do were moan about those when they had them. Can't say the new trains we got are perfect by any means but I think I'd rather them to Flirts.
For me the Flirt 3 is the train i see everyday running past my sbahn station and i also use it much, as its the only train that runs on a certain RB line. I dont think in any way that modern Emus are souless and i prefer driving a simple nice chill run with an Emu as with an older loco where i need to be carefull every second to not accelerate to much or something like that. I understand that there are only a few old german locos so people want more, but Emus like the Flirt 3 are the ones that you see in nearly every region. And as a train simulator game, Tsw should have the ones driving in the present too.
If we're talking about Stadler trains, how epic would the Euro 9000 be. It's an absolutely massive 6-axle loco with 9 MW (!) of power. And to top it off, it also has a diesel power unit capable of mainline operation. DB has a couple, as does Lokomotion. It's a behemoth of a train and I would love to see it in TSW.
