(Text get fixet) Good evening, humans! I’ve been meaning to discuss this topic for a while, but I never got around to it. What particularly concerns me about this DLC is the cab car and its accompanying wagons. The locomotives are great and have been implemented very well, but the cab car and wagons… not so much. Anyway, let’s dive right in. The Negative Here are the issues I’ve noticed in the DLC: • Missing interior door sounds, particularly in the second-class wagons. Both interior doors that has no sounds at all. • Door sound issues in the cab car’s bike compartment. The sound resembles a sliding door, even though it’s just a standard exterior hinged door. It’s kind of funny but also slightly annoying. •Problems with rain textures: The rain on the windows in both first- and second-class wagons looks outdated and doesn’t meet modern standards. •Missing rain effects in the rear passenger area of the cab car. • I miss not being able to repaint the MFD vision •Animation issues: The windshield wipers don’t work properly. • Minor texture errors: For example, Door 1 in the interior has texture problems, specifically with the screws on the door. •Movement glitches: Sometimes the player or the vehicle moves by itself. For example •A: The train slowly starts moving forward, even though it’s supposed to be stationary. •B: The player character moves forward or to the side without any input. These glitches can sometimes be funny, but most of the time. The Positive Despite the mentioned problems, there are a few things I really enjoy about the DLC: •Complexity: The train requires precise inputs and calculations, making it especially interesting for players who enjoy technical challenges. • Suspension: The suspension on the cab car is fantastic and adds to the realistic driving experience. (I particularly love how the cab car bounces, especially on the Main-Spessart-Bahn route. It feels like a ship In the storm.) •Fault simulation: The simulation of train malfunctions is an impressive detail and adds a lot of realism (though I often feel like I’m on the verge of a nervous breakdown whenever I hear the word “störung”). • Toilet: It’s amusing that TSG included a functioning toilet in the cab car. •Engine compartment: The ability to walk into the engine compartment is a great feature for shunting and coupling operations. Details There are a few other aspects worth mentioning: •The way the windows gradually frost up in cold weather is beautifully animated and gives the feeling of sitting in the middle of an ice storm. • The speed behavior can be unpredictable at times. Occasionally, when you accelerate, the AFB (Automatic Train Control) releases—or it doesn’t. It’s both annoying and strangely realistic. • The cat ears on the HUD for wagon 013: This is a cute little gimmick that initially confused me. • I love the detail on the Maintal Bahn and niddertal Bahn Where the GSMR has no connection in some places •In the cab car, the door flap that hides the handbrake hasn’t been animated. I hope this gets fixed in the future, as the DLC could really benefit from a small update. Final Thoughts I'm satisfied, but somehow not clear for the very first expert it turned out really good it has its construction sites, but it works Sometime Mybe Please let me know what you think of the DLC. Is it a flop or top Video 1/ Video 2/
And if someone here should tell me that I just want to talk bad about all this, that's not true. I like to use the cab car and the locomotive.
I think the percentage of TSW players wanting trains of this detail is so small that a DLC like this was never going to work.
care to elaborate? what "rear of the car"? do you mean that no rain drops appear on the cab car's windshield? one: what do you even need them for in a sim like this? two: you even put a screenshot of it in your post; they did infact atleast model the most basic toilet. can you improve your criticism? I personally have no issues with those sounds. not so many? the most advanced vehicle in this game, and you say it does not have "so many" good sides? https://www.grammarly.com/ this is just awesome. this thing has been in the works for 18 months (1.5 years, comprehend that), and as you can notice, it has a TON of things to do with, or to absolutely break it without it being a bug, but intentional. the price is absolutely understandable as it is a 3rd party product with quite an amount of people involved. they all need to get paid somehow. and by how detailed this unit is represented, as said, the price is worth it. I must say, the way you describe it all makes you seem kind of... well, unthankful... nearly arrogant?
I guess they're referring to the glass door thingy that separates the bicycle area from the seating area, and yeah, gotta agree on that. These sounds are not very accurate, but we didn't have anything else to work with. I shall see whether I can provide a new sample for the next update, but that's not a priority sound-wise, not for me anyway.
I say 40 € is not just a little money but it could also cost 50 € from me. The product has errors and many products have faults but it does what it has to do and it is also fun to use it.
I admit, the text was written badly, and I will revise it again in a moment, so some things come across as they should not come across. And yes, my grammar has given up, I would also like to apologize for that.
So the text has been edited. It has been explained exactly and yes I mean the glass door at the bicycle compartment. I find this kind of funny, because it doesn't fit in with what this door is. I can't clarify it exactly, but somehow it fits, although it's extremely wrong Good work and yes not the best but it works good enough
I have to add something to the text below 18 months is simply nothing for such an elaborate DLC. Of course it has many negatives, but also many positives. And it's just nice to see that the cabcar can continue to live in tsw. It's not the best we have, but it's not the worst either *BR187* It's annoying, but in a positive way. The team really made an effort, you have to leave it, but there were also many mistakes that you have to address, but as long as the thing doesn't explode and drive, I'm satisfied.
Yes, I am aware of that and that is why I am so divided. It fits somehow just leave it in, even if it's often weird./I will upload a video link here right away, which shows exactly what I mean by the second door error
Unthankful? DTG is not a charity and it doesn't give away its products for free. Paying customers have every right to criticize a product they've purchased. Besides, OP listed the pros of this add-on too or did you miss that part? I swear... the DTG über Alles crowd are worse than the fanatical Apple fanbois of the mid 2000s.
Honestly I bought this and I don't feel it was worth the money for me. I barely end up playing it. I don't want faults so I turn it off so really the only difference is having to manually put in the numbers for PZB. Yes its a great model very detailed and the fogging windows are a nice touch. Maik and team did a great job and I'm sure they put in the work to justfy the cost. I just don't like that if you don't have expert mode on you can't have any safety systems at all it seems. So it sits on the sidelines and as AI traffic for me mainly. But I don't think ita a flop at all.
Sooooo a dlc that has realism to the max and has been acclaimed by the community a 'flop.' This is a horrible take imo, while I respect your opinion yes but the fact you kinda nitpicked this dlc really shows why this is such a terrible take.
Since the expert 101 is out, i barely touched another german tsw loco. Maybe the vectron sometimes. This hardcore difficulty (like in real) is the exact challenge im searching. So for me the most detailed tsw loco is well worth it. Would have even paid a higher price.
Oh, come on, don't act like this person praised the DLC. Read again, you'll well notice they said thst this DLC only has few positive things, which is just not true. Heeeh? What does DTG have to do with this???
I think calling the expert 101 a potential flop based on some, in my opinion, mostly very minor graphical/audio issues is just a tad overdramatic. Not that those shouldn't be fixed, mind you, but considering the list of fixes that have already been released and those that have been submitted to DTG but are still awaiting release, I'd say that support for this DLC has all-in-all been quite exceptional, at least compared to what DTG usually brings to the table in that regard. Good thing we're not talking about a DTG product, then. You can still use safety systems outside of expert mode, but you're gonna have to turn several valves and flip a few breakers to get there. At that point you're just making it harder for yourself by not enabling expert mode. If you want to use safety systems without fault simulation, just turn on expert mode and disable the fault simulation in the config screen.
The 101 is without a question the closest TSW ever comes to simulating what driving a real loco feels like. I’ve never driven a real 101 but I have driven various other 3-phase AC locos. The way the Expert 101 reacts to throttle and brake inputs, the way she ramps up and down traction mirrored what I was used to from the real thing. I highly appreciate the engine room and fault simulation, but it was these upgraded physics that truly convinced me. The Expert 101 is worth every penny and I’m looking forward to what the next Expert loco Lukas teased already will be.
there's another issue I noticed with that; turning on expert mode results in the cab car's taillights not being lit up when doing a 101 service. and switching 2 things for PZB/LZB is quite fun too
You also raised an important point, not everyone uses the expert mode, which is of course completely understandable to everyone, who has his own. And also interesting to hear that you hardly use the part. More like that than k.i. The second point is that you have put a lot of effort into this thing, which you also notice at many points, especially with many small details
Yes, as mentioned, I am divided. But the aspect must not be forgotten that I like to use the cabcar despite the massive problems, it is like a love-hate relationship.
It's not DTGs Add-on, for once, and for the second part, even Myron has said "some things" about either DTG or TSG (whomst have been working on the 101E) So either you start to get your story straight or learn to read. The main point isn't that DTG should give it away, it's rather "I expect more for the money I paid" - which in all due to respect, you can't get everything correct. I also assume that the "moving" train thing described in OPs post is due to the way the engine works, not bad DLC design.
The negative often outweighs the positive But what you may still not get out of the text is I am satisfied, but also not quite. It needs improvement but it works. As mentioned, it is a love-hate relationship to the part. If we are being honest, I use the ic cabcar more often than Karlsruher Kopf or dostos cabcar.
I just asked one question if the part flopped. I didn't call it a flop. I consider it balanced you can say price-performance ratio so you get extremely much for the price which is positive but negative a lot of error.
There you also talk to the point to the driving physics has been taken over so well, which is again a point in itself and yes the engine room alone is simply a dream
You also raised a good point that I also forgot. With such a high price, of course, you expect top performance, but again we must not forget that TSG not only makes its own DLCs, but also DTG helps with the German vehicles, and if you take it all apart so roughly, you should have taken a little more time.
Thats fixed for the next patch. Will also include some new lil features and bonus stuff. Thats irl behaviour. Push the throttle to 100% with afb or it will sometimes not be enough to increase speed past the automatic hold brake threshold.
So I'm open and honest with you I'm a little afraid of the next patch Not because I don't trust TSG with their work, but because I know exactly that they always deliver well. And that with the speed yes and I generally still have to learn that with the machine
Also i suggest you edit your Threadtitle (if thats possible, what do i know) because its really not nice - also youve gotten your answers, too.
TSG:s new 101 is probably my most used german loco by now. My biggest issue with it is that it will not layer in on soon-to-be-released Pfalzische Ludwigsbahn, so I'm not buying that route before we can drive the "better" 101 on it.
I said at the time the price was announced that it was too much, and that £20 was closer to what the pack was actually worth. I was told off by the man himself who completely misinterpreted what I said. No matter how good the simulation is, it doesn't change the fact that the pack doesn't have much variety. That £30 could be better spent in TS on trains with a lot more going on, like the AP Class 142 which covers pretty much every variant of the trains throughout the life of the class... With much better textures too.
Depends on what the dlc is measured. The casual player might compare it with other dlcs, the amount of variety, maybe archievements etc. Here to remember, the focus on this project was to create an expert loco, which behaves like the real one. On top there is the expert cab car and the wagons. Im honest, next level you can have is the br 101 multiaxle DB simulator, which is used to train real drivers. Price is close to 1 million if not more. The players who have tested the expert 101 extensivley and do have a bit of background knowledge of real railroading, came quick to the point that this dlc basicly is still way underpriced. If somethong is too expensive, its the 90% half finished LOVE which is released nowadays with no extramile nothing. why should i buy a mildmay line which just stops in the midle? Why should i buy a ludwigsbahn, which is not coming with a single new peace of rolling stock? Not even a new freight wagon? Times are definetly over i pay 40 bucks for lazines or bad route choices.
Hello, at first I was skeptical about this product but I am very thankful, that we got this train! It helped me to like the 101 and the cab car very much and now it is my most favorite lok next to the 218! Yes perhaps it is a bit high priced, but I am sure if the base game would be better, we would have gotten an even better Expert 101. And I hope we get more of this in the future. Not only Expert stuff, yes. But sometimes! Luckily we got a new old BR101service here since winter 2024, the Munich Nürnberg Express. https://www.lok-report.de/news/deut...der-neue-alte-muenchen-nuernberg-express.html It helps to strengthen the service on this route, because the Skoda trains sometimes have technical problems
Well, the thing is the working time that has flowed into the project has to be balanced somehow and well ts is unfortunately not as extensive as tsw And regarding the textures, so I gamble on the ps and had no texture problem.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The AP 142 covers every main variant from construction to withdrawal. The Expert BR 101 is a much smaller pack. There aren't any texture glitches. The textures are just lower quality than the AP 142, which is what I'm comparing the 101 to.
Well, the errors of the expert DLC are not at the base of the game and yes I personally would really like to have an expert 146.2&195.2 hehe and to the MNE so yes the 102 looks like how old meets new would also be nice to see the thing in tsw.
Well, with a short look at this loco World Cup thread and the Expert 101 has made it all the way to the final (or has 'won' the continental european cup by beating all other locos from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France...), one might think, that quite a lot people actually like it. Ok, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but well, trying to make your opinion seeming to be the major opinion, doesn't sound that successful to me, at least in this case. So, all in all, I wouldn't call a loco that is somehow 'high-rated' a flop.
The loco itself is wonderful and very immersive. It gave another dimension to german routes where it runs in my opinion. Having separate timetables is a huge minus though.
I like it, but its a bit overpriced. I just buy hauptstrecke rhein rhur and buy the 101 add on This one can also drive in nahverkher dresden. But I really wouldl buy it anytime if there is discount. I know what he means whit "flop"but there are bugs in every route-that's normal for games.
I don't want to put my opinion above anything else. That here finally only to ask the community, because you hardly hear anything about the DLC. And unfortunately I didn't notice anything about the world cup and yes, as mentioned, I like to use the thing even despite its mistakes.
