just dont buy it, its not worth it at this stage and we must show that rivet should do better. If they want our money they should atleast be on the level of DTG routes. Save your hard earned cash for something better. Even if they improve the route it will probably still be below the level of a DTG route so just dont bother
I am sure each man will make his own decision without your influence. They do need to buck their ideas up, Rivet that is.
Ofcourse you can buy it if you want to im not forcing anyone. just hope people will consider not doing so then maybe rivet will actually make good routes
Voted yes but only on the condition it is improved upon. Wasn't planning on buying it for a few months until the 158 came along anyway so hopefully we see some improvement by then.
I’m still buying it. Hopefully a patch gets sent out fairly quick as yes… some of the scenery is in dire need of a makeover.
I will politely abstain in the poll as I have a separate reason for not buying it and I think that may be misread from a poll, that is I’m not purchasing new content until my current ones have been “de-Z-fighted” (DTG issue) though “if” that happens I will then look more into the quality of the route then, the route in real life does quite interest me, the good points of rivets one are good points, it’s just whether the bad will see changes what is the worry “if” that time comes
Buy it then. Don’t give Rivet the benefit of the doubt. They’ve lied to the community before and completely abandoned any improvements. Skyhook have earned that benefit.
This route needs significantly more work than MML needed and it took Skyhook months to get that patch out. You’ll be lucky if this route is patched (if Rivet patch it ) by Christmas. If you’re buying this on the assumption it will be fixed quickly then good luck. If it’s fixed at all which given Rivet’s history is highly likely.
The timeable is beyond "unacepable". What excuse is it this time that Rivet think a dlc standard way below the minimum is acceptable? My hopes for TSG an JT are high, the only current devs, where i get the impression that they actualy want to make the best out of their product. Glad i made my decision for going with heavy sales this year.
History shows that Rivet makes little to no improvements to an already released DLC. Skyhook had kept its promise after the massive criticism of MML and made the route significantly better. You have to give them credit for that. However, it took them months to make the improvements. And I have to admit: After the actually beautiful Berina route, I didn't expect such a thing (anymore) because I thought Rivet's demands had increased. It's a shame, because the FCL has everything for a top route, but it looks as if this will be as mediocre as the Maintalbahn. Why do you think we were lured so long in advance with the pre-order and a few nice pictures? Everyone can think of that for themselves. Bad Rivet, really bad.
Why? You seriously consider this garbage is worth £30. I wouldn’t even pay £5. You are seriously in a tiny minority if you do, the overwhelming verdict even from some who normally don’t criticise is the route should be pulled from release and either thoroughly rework it or scrap the thing.
I hope those that buy it enjoy it but not buying is the only way to get the message across to the management. Rivet, like DTG are full of passionate developers who can create some amazing DLC but not when they are being restricted in time by their management.
Why? As far as i can see this board is civil. No disrespect to any rivet developers. Just want atleast dtg standard routes to come out and not this kind of mess everytime. This isnt their first time releasing sub-par dlc and i want things to change
What I miss in the poll is the option "Not in its current state (because...)" Because there is a difference between someone who absolutely is not interested in this DLC (regardless of how much effort a developer would put into it) and someone who is very interested in the route but just refrains from purchasing because of a specific reason (missing feature, functionality, layers etc.). The poll results do not depict that difference. Also I critizise the influence of OP to the "No" answer by the given thread title "Just Don't Buy Fife Circle".
While Bernina was fairly decent the 2 gameplay packs released by Rivet before it were also both terrible.
You joke but there are indeed a couple of ambassadors in there, this is exactly why I have no interest in anything they have to say. (Referring to the other running poll with a question as to delay the DLC). There’s no defence to what Rivet have done with this route.
I was stung with the Arosa Line and haven't touched them since. I've been sorely tempted by WCL for the 150 but it seems pointless if the sounds and physics are awful. I know there are people who continously buy almost everything that is churned out so the low quality will not stop unless people vote with their cash.
I was stung with the Arosa Line and haven't touched them since. I've been sorely tempted by WCL for the 150 but it seems pointless if the sounds and physics are awful. I know there are people who continously buy almost everything that is churned out so the low quality will not stop unless people vote with their cash.
the votes are openly public (though i honestly don’t know how to access that), it’s not a good thing when they are, tbh that shouldn’t be an allowed setting.
As much as I had issues with some of the scenery - if I’m honest as I’m a person who likes to own everything- I’ll probably (reluctantly) buy it - eventually. It’s not going to be a day one purchase though.
I must say, based on the pre stream hype, I preordered the route, but once I watched that stream yesterday, cancelled it.
If people are daft enough to pre-order this or any other DLC, before seeing what they are buying, they deserve what they get. I don’t know why people pre-order anyway unless it’s for a 10% discount and even then, you don’t have to buy it until the day before release.
Watched the preview but switched it off before the end , wasn't overly impressed with the finished route overall,and I guess I've got to fork out more money for the 158 when it gets realised if I was to buy this route But glad I saw the preview, it's a pass from me
I will hold off until I see what any improvements look like. However no one in my opinion should be telling anyone how to spend their money, or not as the case may be. Neither should anyone be criticised for spending their money how they like. This happened when TSW4 came out.
sounds a smart choice Yes it is wrong when that happens with games and dlc, it’s all fine to discuss on what affect that could bring to the dlc with people holding off or getting on board to what will eventually lead to boosted sales but it should always be worded as what you plan or would advise personally not simply put as “don’t buy” or calling out those individuals like an internet mob that will buy or won’t buy.
I’m 50/50 on a day one purchase, though Rivets statement has given me some hope. If they stick to their future support on the route, with the expansion and updates, then they will get my money. My decision will be based on an ambassador’s steam on Monday, whether or not they’ve ironed out all the complaints with the scenery. No aeroplanes taking off/landing at the airport I can live with, if it’s a case of sacrificing them for better performance, then so be it. Roll on Monday.
Yes that's my thoughts, they explained the reasons for the lack of aeroplanes and I think personally we should accept their reasonings. There would soon be complaints if there was a performance hit. If they have made the scenery more up to current standards and done something about those awful buildings then it might be enough. I can handle the poor timetable if we are getting a better one.
I won't be getting it on release I will hold back for a bit and see if improvements are made if people want to buy the route from release that's there choice it's there money they can do what they like
I would never pre-order stuff, because of two things: 1. There is not enough footage (videos, pics, etc.) of the product available yet. Ambassador videos are nice and can give a good insight on scenery etc., but I want to know more about the actual gameplay and detail things which wouldn't be covered in a regular preview stream. And although I know that there are absolutely reliable ambassadors out there, I kind of feel that they still have to let the product shine in a good way as they got it for free to do so. I once was in the Amazon Vine program, and there was a consensus amongst us Viners that Amazon moreover wants to force us to write more better reviews than negative ones, if your good/bad ratio moreover was bad they're gonna fire you out of the programme or they prevented me from uploading reviews of any kind. I left the program because I couldn't stood this nonsense any longer and didn't want to waste my time with it any longer, even if I got products for free. So I'm a burnt sheep (german slang) in this regard. I rather would see someone who paid for the content as much as anyone else has to, and see their perspective on advantages and disadvantages of a game or DLC on a completely independent level. 2. Pre-Order discount of 10% is a joke to me. I know that a product has a list price, which is reasonable due the effort and amount of work put into a product. I'm not going to debate on that here. We had so many discussions on that already. However, 10% discount on a 30€/$ product is a saving of 3€/$. That's almost nothing by today's standards. Also taken into account that a few months after intitial release, the DLCs usually are on sale for up to -30%. So not really worth preordering a product without to even know what exactly its pro and cons are, unless you're superhyped about it to get it at release date.
Yep I've never understood why people pre-order. I can't see any advantage and it gives the impression to the dev company's that their product is great when it may well not be.
I guess to take advantage of the 10% discount and/or because it’s something you really, really want and you are satisfied with the preview information it’s up to snuff. Think the last route I actually preordered was BPO but that was because it ticked all the quality boxes from the word go. However with current concerns over quality of output for TSW, not just third parties, I’m increasingly unlikely to do so. tl:dr, don’t let the money burn a hole in your pocket. Plenty else to get on with (looking at you Snowrunner) and within 6 months it will be in the sales at 40 to 50% off.
I have no quibble with Rivet regarding their presentation of locomotives and stations. Also their work on the Forth Bridge is absolutely fantastic. It is their route design thats the problem. While they put in a huge effort into locomotives and station recreation, the route recreation is so amateurish and looks like something out of a computer game of 30 years ago. IMO Rivet should stay away from route designing and leave it to the professionals like Just Trains, who put a lot of effort into ensuring their trackside locations are as accurate as possible. It does upset me to write a negative response. but if this is a train simulator game, I expect Rivet to produce the same standards as others and they are way off. Others charge £29.99 for their near faultless work. Rivet should charge £9.99. If you want to buy a Rivet route wait until it’s got 70% off in the sale, as then you will get true value for your money!!
