PlayStation Lgv Méditerranée Marseille Avignon

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  1. oreo#5915

    oreo#5915 New Member

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    Bonjour avez vous des nouvelles sur une éventuelle prolongation de la ligne LGV méditerranée Marseille Avignon jusqu'à Lyon part dieu Merci
     
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    English please!
     
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    They are asking if the LGV Mediterranee route is getting extended to Lyon Part Dieu or not?
     
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    No plans atm for that "If it's not on the Roadmap..."
     
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    Yes I ran through Google Translate, just politely pointing out the forum Coc requires posts to be in English!
     
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    Yeah, I did the same :)
     
  7. oreo#5915

    oreo#5915 New Member

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    good evening indeed I asked if this line would be extended. sorry for writing in french
     
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    You can already play it in Train Simulator if you're interested; the scenery is much better than the TSW scenery although the TGV Duplex is simpler to drive.
     
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    I traveled this line for a long time under train simulator. I decided to switch to tsw 3 because the graphics engine is much more realistic
     
  10. torfmeister

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    Agreed, TSC scenery is more varied than TSW's. Although a bit simpler in terms of interactivity, the TGV cab is the same model.
     
  11. erg73

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    I find it quite surprising that this is the only French route we have so far. Let me explain;

    DTG has always told us that building routes to a new country is something they weigh up a lot before they go ahead because all the research, licensing, building new assets, new signalling, new security systems etc, would only be profitable if they see the possibility of a potential number of players demanding more routes to that particular country in the future.

    Well, as I understand it, this route was very well received. I myself bought it at full price because I thought it was something new, with a very well modelled train, decent sounds... and I don't regret it, because although it doesn't have any variety it is fun and I have spent many hours on it driving the TGV. I also wanted to somehow use my wallet to encourage the introduction of new countries, and France certainly has a lot to offer in terms of railways.

    Well, here we are two years and four months later (how time flies) and we haven't had any more news from France, and it doesn't look like that's going to change for the time being. What could have happened for DTG to dismiss it as it has done all this time? What about that supposedly high initial investment that they made and that has not been followed up to get a better return? Did it get less sales than they expected and that is why they decided not to continue? Could there be a problem such as difficulties in getting licenses?

    I find it quite strange. Since then DTG has launched 18 routes in the three eternal countries, not counting those of other third party developers.

    I would definitely like to see more French stuff on TSW.
     
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  12. Subway#2400

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    I agree, I would like to see French stuff too ! There is plenty to do.
     
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    indeed there is a lot to do even in terms of rolling stock. abandoned while this line would work well, it's a shame. DTG just has to release a Marseille Paris or a Paris Bordeaux I'm sure countless buyers would come and bring big money to DTG... even rolling stock would be welcome there are many who could be realized. it is still necessary to have the agreements of the sncf
     
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    Paris PMP to Bordeaux is a long line that won’t happens ( around 600 kms ) same for Paris GDL to Marseille but it’ll be good to have some suburban or intercities lines. Even though they have agreements with SNCF if they do a TER regional line then they’ll need an agreement from the Conseil Régional and that’s another story. Let’s hope for the TSC adaption onto TSW that’ll be the first international route as well.
     
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    Absolutely, the scenery on Marseille to Avignon in TS is superb, and it's actually a pity driving the route is so quick! I might have a go on the route in the Class 395 or maybe even the Class 92 for a slower drive, even if it's completely unrealistic. The Rhones-Alpes expansion is simpler in detail (I'd say about equal with 2015 levels of detail) but is almost 200 miles long so I'll give them a pass. Adding 165 miles as a route expansion not many will by means they obviously couldn't pay so much attention to the scenery. I like the TSW version, but the use of auto generation for the scenery is inexcusable. And then there's the obvious point that Marseille to Avignon in Train Sim World is £25, but for the same price (in fact slightly less) in TS you can get the whole Rhones-Alpes route...
    This applies to both games. DTG have given the answer before that the reason they invested in the French assets is because it's popular... But if it's so popular why make one route with it? Look at all the TGV routes in France. Marseille to Lyon was done by DTG, and LGV Nord/the Channel Tunnel and Paris to St-Pierre-des-Corps have been made by Atlantic High Speed, but so badly I wish they never had. They could mash together the TGV Reseau and Duplex models and give us a POS for LGV Nord, or use the EuroDuplex from Karlsruhe Strasbourg and give us LGV Est, perhaps with the New Ice 3 with TVM finally added (even if it's just so Major Wales can put a Eurostar livery on it :D).
     
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    There are TGV 2N2 on the lgv Med 4700 and 800 4700 does the frankfurt Marseille and Zurich, Bâle Marseille and 800 paris Marseille,le Havre,Nancy,Metz, Luxembourg, Brest from Marseille the TGV Duplex 200 can remplace services to le Havre and Brest
     
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    Ferrovipathe67 you seem to know the area well. I don't, but I have always wondered about an extension of this route but not to Paris, but to the Cannes-Nice area. In Marseille St. Charles there is already IA traffic coming and going from there. How about a first stretch to Toulon? I think the TGV we already have and other local and regional trains run there, right? Also, if in the future there were to be stretches to the Côte d'Azur, it would be a beautiful area. I would like to know your opinion on this.
     
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  19. Subway#2400

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    I would prefer some TER services over TGV, something like Marseille-Toulon with the Z23500 or Z26500 and BGC or Regiolis. That would be interesting.
     
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    The TGV sets that run to Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg are slightly different to the sets we got in TSW.

    For starters, they support 15kV AC and 3kV DC in addition to the French domestically used voltages and the safety systems for Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany (both PZB and LZB). The sets that run domestically only support the French voltages (1.5kV DC and 25 kV AC) and safety systems.

    The cab is different too, with the main panel of light-up digits for TVM replaced by an LCD that can show both the spedometer and the various safety systems:

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    Train Simulator Classic has both renditions of the cab: the one that comes with the Karlsruhe - Strasbourg route has the LCD panel, multi-voltage selector and German safety systems while the one that came with Marseille - Avignon is the domestic version with French voltages and safety systems.

    Sadly the cab of the Karlsruhe - Strasbourg version close, but not quite prototypical.
     
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    Speak or learn?
     
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    I too would love to see more French routes, I do wonder why we haven't seen any since LGV.
     
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    we can hope one day with other French lines with French rolling stock but in the meantime we can brush up
     
  25. Ferrovipathe67

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    Ik IS the 2N2 version but there are so many difference with a duplex 200
     
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    It's a TGV pbka on this photo because there is the ATB security system
     
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    Are you sure?

    To my knowledge, the ATBL+-module in the PBKA is situated just above the KVM unit, which is just empty space on this picture.

    ATBL+ consists of a number of LEDs with the number 4, 6, 8, 13, 14 in yellow and 16 in green (plus a few blue and red LEDs for status). I don't see them here?


    EDIT: here's a picture of the PBKA cab - notice the ATBL+ unit to the right of the LCD, above the KVM unit:

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    It wouldn't shock me if this route got poor sales. It's essentially a short high speed route with one train and 3 stations. For $30, that's too much for too little which is why I never got the route in the first place and I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought that
     
  29. torfmeister

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    The trouble I'm having with those high speed routes is the lack of things to do and low replay value which is due to the nature of the route.
     
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    In real life there are couple and decouple train on the lgv Med and Rhône-Alpes
     
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    It's false it was one of the best DLC that sold out on Steam and Xbox PlayStation
     

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