Liege Aachen L37: Ska International Link To Belgium

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  1. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys it's me Driverwoods#1787 and I'm suggesting the Liege Aachen Railway SNCB L37. This railway line is the international extension of Schnellfahrstrecke Koln Aachen. For those that want the Parallel fast line with ETCS signaling check Martin 13's LGV 3 proposal
    Contents
    • Map
    • Description
    • Rolling Stock
      • DLC
      • Layers from German Belgian & Austrian Routes
    • Service Pattern
    • Pictures
    • Videos
    • Final Thoughts
    Map
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    Description

    SNCB/NMBS L37 was built in 1842-1843. Therefore making it the first cross-border railway in the world together with Koln Aachen which is a base game route. This SNCB/NMBS Railway Line continues eastward to Koln Hbf via Duren as Schnellfahrstrecke Koln Aachen which is found in the game as a base route represented by ICE3M DB BR406 on the cover. The line was electrified in May 1966 with the eastern end being Aachen Hbf tracks 6-9, where SNCB 3kv DC is switched to Deutsche Bahn 15kv 16.7hz which is in-game for SKA source, is Thorsten Buker's railways across Europe. The railway line final kilometers require a banker locomotive for heavy passenger or goods trains. This is due to Aachen Sud Ronheider Ramp having a 26% grade 4% steeper than Main Spessart Bahn Spessart Ramp Laufach to Heigenbrucken section 22% slope. The exception to this is Multiple Unit Trains since those have enough power to climb the Ronheider Ramp. Signalling System is Standard SNCB light signals and TBL 1. Overhead contact System poles are standard SNCB 3kv wires to Herengrath border with Germany. After Herengrath station it's the standard Deutsche Bahn overhead contact system poles but with SNCB/NMBS 3kv wire with the kilometer Zero being SKA Koln Hbf. The Deutsche Bahn Poles using SNCB/NMBS 3kv DC climbs up the Ronheider Ramp then terminate at Aachen Hbf tracks 6-9 where 15kv starts. The line runs left track until Aachen Hbf where it goes right-hand track running. Before the current configuration trains used to switch from the left and right track running before the Buschtunnel. The maximum speed on the line is 140 km/h (85-87 mph) and the route length is 54 km (34-35 Mi).
    Rolling Stock
    SNCB/NMBS M6

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    Belgian Intercity Double Decker trainsets built-in 2002 comes in 76 cm platform height with steps. The cab car is called a Bx capacity of 136 passengers. Is equipped with Gf automatic couplers requiring special HLE 18 Siemens with GF couplers HLE19 Max speed 200 km/h (125 mph). Others have Buffers and Chains for use by SNCB locomotives that lack GF couplers
    SNCB/NMBS HLE18/19 Siemens
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    Built from 2008-2012. These locomotives do operate most of SNCB/NMBS Intercity services including the Nightjet EN424/425 Aachen Liege Brussels Midi section where SNCB HLE 18/19 Siemens relive OBB 1116 part of DB BR182 Taurus locomotive family. The difference between HLE 18 from HLE19 is that HLE19 has GF automatic couplers while HLE18 has the Buffers and Chains. Max Speed is 200 km/h (125 mph).
    SNCB/NMBS AM 39-79 (MS 39-79)
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    Built from 1939-1979. These SNCB/NMBS Emu are classified by the year of construction and language classification depending on the SNCB/NMBS Depots located in Flanders Dutch Speaking Part MS39-79 & Wallonia French-speaking part of Belgium AM39-79. Comes in a variety of paint Schemes Grey Yellow Red Black and Blue or Maroon Black White & Yellow. Maximum Speed is 130-140 km/h (80-87 mph) depending on the year of construction. Uses Henricot Couplers which are similar to Class 66 HST SPG Cane Creek and NEC Boston Providence AAR couplers.
    SNCB/NMBS I6
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    Single Decker Intercity Coaches built from 1995-1997. Cab Car uses the HLE13 front cab design. In normal operation, these can be operated in Push-pull services by HLE 13 Alstom or HLE 18/19 Siemens. Some cases Mix and Matched with M7 M6 coaches in the same set.
    DLC
    SNCB/NMBS M7
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    The latest SNCB NMBS intercity train was built by Alstom Bombardier from 2018-2021. These Intercity trains come in a formation of regular coaches with the BDx cab car and are powered by SNCB HLE18/19 Siemens. An entirely self-propelled unit if the SNCB NMBS HLE18/19 Siemens is replaced by a BMx cab car complete with Traction units for 3kv DC & 25kv 50hz. Max speed 200 km/h (125 mph) and equipped with TBL & ETCS signalling systems.
    SNCB/NMBS HLE16
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    Built in 1966 by BN Bombardier Transportation Brugges Plant is now Alstom. These are vintage 4 voltage locomotives equipped for 1.5kv DC Netherlands ATB EG/NG & Southern France KVB 25kv 50hz some Belgian lines Northern France KVB Luxembourg Memor II pre-ETCS 3kv Belgium TBL Memor II. Lastly Germany 15kv 16.7hz PZB LZB Sifa. These will serve as the retro train for L37 and SKA if Linked. Retired from NMBS/SNCB service 2007-2010.
    Layered Trains from German Austrian and Belgian routes
    DB BR 406 ICE 3M

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    Comes in the base game route SKA and for this route, it appears as AI train around Liege and Herengrath stations. Playable if the fast line LGV 3 were to be bundled and Linked together as a Single route.
    HLD 77
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    Freight Locomotives that can do both shunting and mainline traffic. On this route, 7771-7870 have TBL & PZB appears as AI around Aachen & Herengrath areas. Playable if Antwerp-Brussels 9livescat or Kortrijk - Brussels L89 are owned.
    DB BR 363 & 232 IF RSN or Riesa Dresden is owned then you can use them as banking locomotives on Ronheider Ramp Aachen Sud if needed.
    OBB Nightjet Sleeper Coach
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    If Snek's Tauernbahn or my suggestion Westbahn Salzburg-Wien are owned amd combined with this SNCB route. Every 07:47 Aachen to Liege trips & the 20:30 liege to Aachen trips get OBB nightjet coaches pulled by SNCB NMBS HLE18/19 which has replaced the Taurus locomotive DB BR182 family at Aachen Hbf. In the case of the 20:30 Liege to Aachen trip, SNCB HLE18/19 carries the train to Aachen Hbf where it's replaced by a Taurus locomotive.
    Service Pattern
    From the current SNCB/NMBS L37 timetabled services between Liege-Guillemins and Aachen Hbf take 40-60 minutes. The reason for this is to take into account the transfer time from IC 01 Oostende Eupen to L5xxx at Verviers Central & Pepinster. OBB Nightjet 424/425 takes 48-60 minutes to travel between Liege Guillemins and Aachen Hbf. Timetable language is in Belgian French and there's also a Dutch language version available for L37.
    Pictures
    Liege Guillemins
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    The starting point of the line taken by 16 miles
    Verviers Central
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    Transfer point between IC 01 Oostende Eupen & L5018/5019 Spa Aachen taken by Michael B
    Buschtunnel
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    Deutsche Bahn Netze owned and Maintained tunnel but uses 3kv DC SNCB/NMBS voltage TBL signaling instead of SKA LZB PZB. Taken by Oecherbahn
    Aachen Hbf
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    Voltage track hand running and Signalling Change from TBL Infrabel to Deutche Bahn Netze PZB LZB. End of L37 start of base game route SKA.
    Videos

    Loco exchange SNCB HLE18/19 to OBB 1116. Can happen if L37 & OBB routes like Arlbergbahn Tauernbahn and my suggestion Westbahn Salzburg Wien Hbf are owned

    AM66 SNCB to Aachen Hbf video is by Brttrains

    AM66 SNCB NMBS Classic emu leaving Aachen for Spa Video is by fellow forum member imaginox9 channel link


    IC01 on L37 video by Jen

    Final Thoughts

    SNCB/NMBS L37 Liege to Aachen should be added into TSW 2 for various reasons. The first reason is that it's going to introduce Belgium a new country together with a different voltage system 3kv DC and signaling system TBL alongside trains that operate on those. These are SNCB NMBS Classic EMU AM39-79 HLE18/19 Siemens HLD77 & M7. 2nd reason is that you can use special German trains equipped with TBL on L37 if LGV 3 is closed as SKA DB BR406 by simply turning on the TBL switch located where PZB LZB & Sifa are in-game. Furthermore, if SNCB/NMBS L37 is to be built then it can allow DTG to experiment with cross-border operation using SNCB/NMBS trains running on PZB and switching track running at Aachen Hbf if L37 and SKA are linked. Due to them sharing Aachen Hbf and giving that station needed rush-hour style traffic. One more reason that DTG can explore is DLC interaction is having L37 Liege Aachen Hbf and other SNCB Routes that can layer to L37. Is having DLC locomotives SNCB/NMBS interact with German DLC locomotives like SKA DB BR187 making it a prototypical operation at Aachen Hbf and Rothe Erde goods yard. Overall there are reasons why L37 Liege-Aachen should be added to the game.
     
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  2. antwerpcentral

    antwerpcentral Well-Known Member

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    Here is my money! I like how they all have my avatar already on the livery :D
     
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  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You mean the sides of MS39-79 electric multiple units M7 double decker Intercity HLE18/19 Siemens. For locals on this route MS is called AM39-79 79 is said as Septante Neuf in Wallonia just like Switzerland French speaking part. I'm wondering how does TBL work otherwise owners of SKA will spam PZB Wachsam PZB Acknowledge command because they're going to treat that as PZB. even though they're past Aachen Hbf PZB End begin Infrabel TBL but Maintained by Deutsche Bahn Netze up to Hergenrath Infrabel start
     
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    Please expand to Brussels
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You mean L36 & LGV2 Brussels Leuven Lovain Liege Line.
     
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    If the route from Aachen to Liège is too short
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    L37 is 3km (34 mi) shorter than GWML London Paddington to reading 57 km (36 mi) but longer Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden 52km (32 mi). That's why it fits between these two.
     
  8. antwerpcentral

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    Just do Belgium in one route. It's not that big of country. Just combine Antwerp / Brussels with Brussels / Aachen and we will have one of the coolest routes on TSW. Even the collectables will make you want this route. Chocolate and Waffles. Yummy!
     
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  9. KoeleKoen

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    Tbl is a bit of pzb a bit of aws, adverse signals you have to acknowledge but there's no speed monitoring, only at a red signal there's a beacon (300meters before signal) like the 500hz in pzb,which monitors that you're below 40km/h, that's it, pretty simple
     
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    Cool! Nothing should be able to go wrong then I suppose. Perfect. Let's do this Belgian Route. Tous ensemble

    Everyone is getting tired of always the UK/NA/GER based routes. Belgium is a bit of compromise. Easy to make, not much that can go wrong. Yup it could be the redemption route.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    We already have Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen and this one extends to Liège via the Conventional line. The only train to make the entire Köln Liege Trip via L37 is the ÖBB Nightjet SNCB HLE18/19 Brussels Midi Aachen Hbf. The problem for the development team is how to read SNCB/NMBS time tables because L37 Liège Aachen grouped with L44 Pepminster Spa L49 Eupen. That would be the same issue if Brussels Antwerp Lines Brussels Liège via Leuven are made
     
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    I doubt they'll do anything belgian soon but if they do decide to do the hle18 in köln i'd be happy to help since i have easy access cause i drive the hle18 nationally
     
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    Even better news for the Belgian Route! DTG even now has acces to Belgian railways.

    Now it''s really just a matter of waiting until they announce it. Can't be long anymore, any time soon ;)
     
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    HLE18 is up to Aachen Hbf because it's a voltage change station 3kv DC SNCB L37 to Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen 15kv 16.7hz. Only locomotives SNCB/NMBS that can run on SKA are HLD77 7771-7870 and HLE28/29 Bombardier due to PZB Sifa equipment from L37. The timetable for L37 calls for HLE18 to run 20:30 Liège to Aachen trip. Since at Aachen Hbf HLE18 is dropped for DB BR182/ÖBB1116 to do Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen. Speaking of L37 did I get the coaches correct or is it I10 Eurofirma for IC500 Oostende Eupen.
     
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    I am not.
     
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    Great suggestion, driverwoods#1787
    I'd love to see this in game. Don't know if we'll ever see it though. I'm wondering if DTG already reached out to NMBS/SNCB and if so, if those communications were positive.

    I tend to like modern rolling stock the best, but out of the trains you mentioned, my favorite would be the little classic emu's (AM73). The traction motors on those make a very nice sound when accelerating.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    AM73 is part of AM39-79 family operate Spa to Aachen Hbf service before the 2018-2019 SNCB/NMBS service re organization it operates Liege Aachen Regional service video dates back to 2013-2014.

    AM 70-73 in Aachen Hbf

    Combine L37 Liege Aachen with Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden or Riesa-Dresden for New look DB BR146.2 DB BR143 then my suggestion the Westbahn Salzburg Wien you actually get a busy Aachen Hbf. In the case of RE1 Hamm to Aachen Hbf using Main Spessart Bahn or Riesa-Dresden DB BR146.2 & DB BR442 RE9 Siegen if you're behind SNCB AM73-79 EMU on tracks 6-9. Red Signal 2000hz is active once the Belgian train leaves Tab PC Xbox Series X PS5 D pad up you're going to ask the dispatcher to change voltage from 3kv DC to 15kv 16.7hz then end RE1 RE9 services on tracks 6-9 Aachen Hbf.
     

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