London Commuter Train Pack

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  1. tornadopete2010

    tornadopete2010 Member

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    Class 319
    Class 442
    Class 455
    Class 700

    All, good trains for TSW 2

    Just a random post because why not
     
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  2. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    We don't have a modern route for the 319, but a retro run on the BML would be possible, same with the 442 which saw the majority of their service to Portsmouth but if set in 2010...?
    455 should be in the game if they do anything "south london-ish"
     
  3. Knightfire1964

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    A train pack would be nice though in the routes current state it would not work
     
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  4. Tank621

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    I would very much like to see a 455 at some point, probably my favourite Southern Region unit of the past few decades
     
  5. karan#5946

    karan#5946 Well-Known Member

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    I would like these DLC’s to be In this because I always wanted them in TSW 2.
     
  6. driverwoods#1787

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    An excellent idea if you want to keep it going with Rush Hour Routes Theme
    Nahverkehr Dresden
    DR BR119 (DB BR219) U-Boat
    DB BR146.0
    DB BR180 CZ371 CZ372 Mixed Traffic locomotives
    DB BR411 ICE-T
    DB BR 345/346 DR V60
    Boston Providence
    Avelia Liberty The next Generation Acela Express. Can come as a bundle with the Mentioned Class 700 455 ICE-T. Did have a Proposal on this topic.
    Acela Express
    HSP-46
    MP36PH-3C
    AEM-7AC
    Brighton Mainline
    Class 442 WES
    Class 460
    Class 73
    4-VEP
    3 CIG
     
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  7. AtherianKing

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    I’ll agree with anything to get the excuse for a Gatwick 442 ;)

    one of my top 3 loco wishes, the others being a Acela and a 91
     
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  8. OldVern

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    We need some BR Blue EMU's not more modern stuff.
    4 SUB.
    4 VEP.
    2/4 EPB.
    2 HAP/SAP.
    For mainline operations 4 CIG/BIG, 4 CEP/BEP and if/when we get something out of Waterloo, 4REP/4TC.
     
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  9. elarthur

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    More 1st generation slam door electric units would be awesome as we currently have none.
     
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  10. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Good point and some of these run SEHS ECW BML. BML had 4VEP 4CIG
     
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  11. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    Ah yes. More trains to add to the Brighton Mainline that will just make the performance of the route even worse on console. This is exactly what players need ;)
     
  12. euaningarfill

    euaningarfill Active Member

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    Dont play a a game that is trying to be a simulator on console
     
  13. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    This makes zero sense. One, consoles make the majority of the playerbase. Two, it wouldn't make sense to add something that would hurt performance for the majority of users. Three, there is always TS Classic for the entitled pc players that want a nice simulation experience without having to deal with console players. Four, ever heard of Assessto Corsa Competizone?
     
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  14. euaningarfill

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    1 if you are trying to replicate a railway with full timetable and trying to simulate that you are going to need a powerful machine
    Console is not for simulation it has just proved it
    And yes ts is far better with simulation with 3rd party snd being able to develop
     
  15. ARuscoe

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    Longest track length : 7km...
     
  16. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    Yeh but it's still a simulation on consoles. A good one too
     
  17. tallboy7648

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    Oh really? There are some routes that have full timetables and run just fine. DTG just has to do better optimization. Same goes with lower spec pc's. Your statement is somewhat moot frankly.
     
  18. ARuscoe

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    Kind of a naff comparrison though...
     
  19. euaningarfill

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    My statement is correct the only reason why tsw exists is because of consoles
     
  20. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately history doesn't bear this out. The PC version of TSW (note, no 2 or 2020) was created first and existed for a while before the game was ported to console. I'm also sure that there would be a fair market in the Steam and Epic stores for the game, and if the editor had been released then there would also be more content for TSW2 than there is now (mainly due to restrictions on DTG from licenses, and the inability to port content to consoles from 3rd party non-affiliates)
     
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  21. euaningarfill

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    That is why tsw wont go anywhere on pc ts will still be the simulator for pc
     
  22. Lidia Litviak

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    but those train pack are extremily similar to what we have now
     
  23. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Rubbish... both are sims on the PC and both have their different quirks and issues.
    TSC is much less stable a program but has more assets (1st and 3rd party) but you're essentially stuck to the driver's seat, TSW offers a different experience in several ways even though it has vastly less assets
    Unfortunately with TSC you're reliant on 3rd parties for much of the content (especially newer or up to date content) and they all have their own agenda and provision so you're at their mercy when it comes to things actually working without needing to use yet another 3rd party program to get things working
     
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  24. euaningarfill

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    Uh that is why moat people on pc wont 3rd party stuff for tsw lol
    When you play a train simulator you eant to drive the train not look for posters and ice cream
     
  25. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Comments like "most people" aren't helpful

    YOU may want 3rd party stuff. I gave up on TSC because the 3rd party stuff was just as useless as the 1st party stuff unless you wanted A2B runs (and only six of them) and to pay over £100 to do what the pack came with in the first place due to requirements
    At least with TSW everything "works" (subject to the known bugs and issues) without needing to trawl 12 websites for things that may have been taken off sale or the author died five years ago
     
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  26. euaningarfill

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    More and more people are joining ts lol
    Most thing work in tsw so the bakerloo line that still has trains cliping station or too far away still the old timetable
    Red signal goes green once completed task
    And there is only a few major sites that have tons of good content with loads of scenarios
     
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  27. ARuscoe

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    Oh cool, please direct me to these sites where the scenarios work with no other requirements, not all runs are A2B end runs and they don't crash and won't be taken down in three years when AP decide to retire their old stock...

    In case you're wondering (which you're not) I played TSC for years before getting annoyed with having to have a spreadsheet of what assets were required by what from where and needing to backup my download storage because of websites going down or orphaning DLC - Also, try doing something as simple as having locos coming in off branch lines on many third party routes. Unfortunately they are quite bad at putting in the covering signals so anything on the branches fouls the mainline pathing so the whole scenario fails because nothing can pass the point of the branchline switch

    Even in DTG routes such as the Sheerness branch expansion the whole of the Sheerness station and dockyard is classed as one block, so if you want a passenger service to come in whilst you're off shunting? Nope
     
  28. euaningarfill

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    If you want a realistic simulator expect to need different types of stock not all stock is required if it is not going to be in sight so you can just f2 it
    Ap remove there old sound packs not enhanced packs because there old WOW
    You are not going to get 3rd party scenarios to work without requirements due to them needing stock if you eant that got to the workshop simples
     
  29. ARuscoe

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    As an example : Alanthomsonsim is selling the BR class 185 MU which comes with some scenarios. To play those scenarios as the author intended there is a list of 38 requirements, totalling £578.60

    you missed the bit where I said out of the box... And F2ing can break interactions...

    This is the reason why a lot of people get annoyed with TSC and 3rd party. "Oh it's fine, you can just change everything yourself and it won't break... honest"... 15 minutes later it memory dumps because an expected interaction doesn't happen and you lose hours of work on a scenario you're trying to run
     
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  30. euaningarfill

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    Very rarely dumps its old but still going strong
     
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    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    And there was me trying to come up with a scheme to justify to the wife, spending £60 on the PMDG 737 for MSFS!

    But I know exactly where you are coming from regarding TSC. Apart from Shasta and West Highland South, I haven't really bought any DLC for years. Those lack of full timetables, scenarios that might or not work and, yes, not being able to walk around in the environment have aged it fast compared to TSW.
     
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  32. euaningarfill

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    Most people that play ts don't care that you cant walk around
     
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    And models trains and routes cost thousands to build so it is not going to cost 20 quid fo all it
     
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    Then you need to accept there are those of us who do!
     
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  35. euaningarfill

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    Go play tsw then sorted
     
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  36. ARuscoe

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    Admittedly I stopped playing it january last year, but every time on the GEML running the class 66 scenarios it would mem dump

    Yeah. I stopped justifying things to my partner... Then again I earn the money and she doesn't so go me LOL

    I've got over a grand invested in TSC and still walked away... The "jump in and run" of TSW is very appealing, even if it is MUCH more limited in stock and scope. Being able to run over a hundred services on a route compared to six samey scenarios is appealing
     
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  37. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    You know you're on the TSW forum, right?
     
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  38. euaningarfill

    euaningarfill Active Member

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    I know that
     
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    Geml has know to dump for years there is some sort of patch on ats
     
  40. ARuscoe

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    Didn't work back then. Can't be bothered now...
     
  41. OldVern

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    I fear we may be feeding the troll here, rather than engaging in constructive debate...
     
  42. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Possibly, though do note my footer... it applies most of the time
     
  43. euaningarfill

    euaningarfill Active Member

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    Lol not
     
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    I didn't mean your good self (!) but our TSC friend.
     
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    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I did (possible erroneously) consider myself in the "we" bit of the sentence rather than the underbridge dweller
     
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    What route do you refer to as "BML"?
     
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    Brighton Mainline, in game it's called "London Commuter"
     

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