London Overground Mildmay Line: Stratford-willesden Junction Discussion Thread

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The London Overground Mildmay Line (formally known as the North London Line) has been revealed making this the third London Overground route in the game and the first made by a new third party. The route looks nice based on the initial screenshots and I did enjoy the Suffragette Line as well. I am disappointed that the route doesn't go to Richmond or Clapham Junction but I think this would be a good route nonetheless

Feel free to discuss below

 

I'm all for anything London and especially Overground. I love it to bits! I ride 378's all the time.

 

Hilarious. The real thing is a pretty small route, but they're only doing half of it. The version in Train Simulator, without any extensions, is the entire Richmond to Stratford route. I expect that you could get the TS NLL and the AP 378 for the same or less than the new TSW one.

 

I did enjoy the Suffragette Line. It is disappointing however that we won't get the full Mildmay Line however but I may still pick it up nonetheless. I am quite fond of metro style routes

 

I've answered my own question - it's a one person dev team isn''t it? Matt did say start small for your first project.

 

I agree but I believe this route is being done by one person though and given the urban landscape of this route, that probably is why the route is short. A future extension would be nice

 

Technically the third LO route if you count the full Lioness line being in WCMLS. It might be short but I'm looking forward to it, plus it connects with four different other routes in the game which I believe is a new record. (WCMLS, BKL, SEHS & GOBLIN)

This is the new one Incredible Trains, it's literally just one man developing it. The same man who originally posted the 'all of London' concept build, though in his original comments in the November roadmap he mentioned that he found there to be way more facets to route development than originally anticipated so cut the scope back to just this line.

 

12 miles? blimey.

 

Not sure if I’m interested right now, but I’m glad we’ve got another 3rd party join the group. And by the look of the screenshots it looks like another well made & detailed product

 

Your right. I can't believe I forgot about that line. I shall fix that error

 

This looks like a great route and there’s a fair number of stations between Willesden Junction and Stratford. It’s also a very densely populated area, so would require a lot of work to make the scenery look as good as Gospel Oak to Barking.

Personally, I’d be prepared to wait a little longer and pay a higher price to get a full run. I imagine the West London Line to Clapham Junction would be an easier option as Clapham Junction is already modelled and a Class 377 is already in the game. It also means you don’t have to either simulate, or ignore, the District Line services between Gunnersbury and Richmond.

 

Does TSC have a full 24 hour timetable with thousands of services included? Its a solo dev mate cut them some slack

 

Another short route and probably with a £30 price tag i wouldn't mind if was the the full route it's only a few extra miles why not do it all i wouldn't mind wait longer for the full route I'm not moaning about route just the length if you gonna do something do it properly and make something to be proud of.

 

For the sake of argument, the Train Sim Classic version comes with a worse version of the 378 dependent on a now-discontinued AP sound pack, and seven scenarios, two of which depict the same journey. So I think the TSW version does deserve slack (especially as it's a solo dev. Unless you'd have given them slack for setting it during the Class 501 era, of course-)

 

Probably £25

 

Massively disappointed with this announcement. It's nothing short of diabolical to only include part of a short, self contained, end to end, London Overground Line. As I've said it another thread I'll be avoiding this release personally as it just seems completely deflated. It's such a short route anyway, so to be cut back to Willesden? Come on, for god sake...

I understand this is a solo developer and I have no issues with that and the challenges it faces. However, I am sure many would agree, I'd rather wait longer for the short extension to Richmond to complete the line.

I honestly had to double take with the way this was announced... Part of a LO route? You've got to be having a laugh!

I'm grateful the 378 is coming to TSW, but from reading the WCMLS update thread if appears it'll only layer on as AI stabling at Willesden (I'm not having a pop about that by the way). So to only have it on a part section of the North London Line? You've got to be kidding me...

Each to their own, if people want to buy it, but nah, not for me. I don't want to encourage half baked ideas as being acceptable. I'd understand the limitations of a longer route. But it's simply not. Even in full it's a short commuter route.

I do wonder if the developer decided to announce it as half baked to meet a internal deadline set by DTG or if they genuinely believed this was a good idea?

 

There are additional scenarios on the steam workshop though so I'm not sure that is a valid argument

 

Single developer, cut some slack.

 

AP announced today, that they are doing a new pack for the 378.
I´m disappointed that this will be a half route again... this has been a "trend" for a long time now in TSW. Besides JT, no other devolpers seem to be capable of doing full length routes (Rivet, ATS), whilst in TSC this never seemed to be a problem.

 

I also don't view going 'I'm sure the community have made 993 scenarios to make up the difference' valid either to be honest. As well as the potential for requirements (since the NLL does have a few freight workings), meaning more money spent on stuff I'll be just driving past unless I spend an hour of my time swapping in stuff I actually own.

 

I agree. I would perfer waiting longer and having the full line to Richmond or Clapham Junction instead of it ending at Willesdon Junction.

 

I don't see why you would have to swap stuff that you own. I have the NLL in TSC along with freight layers and don't have to do that

 

Do any services terminate at Willesden Junction?

 

This is because if I go and find a scenario for the North London Line on Alan Thomsim for example, if freight is involved, it'll likely need at least the AP 66 and some AP wagon packs. Neither of which I have, nor am I inclined to when I don't drive much freight in TSC (due to the need to get 5 wagon packs per scenario it seems), so I have to swap in the next best thing from what I have, which is usually stock included with routes or base locos.

 

Nah, it's quite open to criticism. Delay it a few months and have the full route and the short extension to Richmond? It's really not asking for much on a very short self contained route. Where does it stop once we start getting half baked short commuter routes... I'd understand if it was a long route, but it just is not. That's my two pence piece.

 

Obviously the same "slack" will be cut in the pricing though, right?

 

Yeah probably won’t be full price, probably similar to that of Glossop and Suffragette.

 

I believe the answer to that is no. I believe there would be some yard moves to and from the depot at Willesden Junction but the Mildmay Line services run normally from Stratford to Richmond or Clapham Junction

 

Probably the actual route choice itself is a bit poor for a solo developer. Dense scenery etc. So as long as it’s well modelled and true to life scenery wise I’m fine with it.

 

I believe this route was chosen because it is basically his local line that he uses daily in real life

 

Yeah, I’m defo buying it. New train. Stratford etc. Probably day one myself.

 

The playable services will terminate at Willesden Junction, and then the AI takes over and will drive the train off the map

 

Are there off map destinations?

 

I am aware. I should've clarified that in reality they would continue off map to Richmond or Clapham Junction.

 

Given that the Suffragette Line was a good route, this will probably be another route to add to the collection despite the length

 

I feel a mix of excitement and frustration.

The 378 is a big thumbs up from me, I am very excited. The shorter route is a bit of a downer for me though. I'd have much rather waited a few more months and get the full route as opposed to what we have now.

Although saying that, I do understand there is only one developer at the helm and they are focussing on a very densely populated area. Hannes, did you work on the 378 by any chance?

 

Some people really need to touch some grass. It's the first ever route for this dev. Of course you start small. Of course you can't do a whole network style route as your very first DLC.
Why not appreciate that there is a new 3rd party who seems to have an incredible ( ) route building style?
If the route is too short for you there are exactly two options:
A) just don't buy it.
B) buy it to support a new 3rd party making longer routes possible.
But people somehow thinking they can 'demand' something? These studios don't owe us anything. I'd be more than thankful for another 3rd party. And I'm sure Johannes is very open to constructive (!) criticism.

 

Shame it won't go all the way to Richmond/Clapham Junction but appreciate it's a one man job. Would've been good to have had the change from pantograph to third rail section at Acton Central down to Richmond. Would've meant I had my local LO station in the game too

 

I mean just because people don't have to buy the product doesn't mean they can't give their honest opinion about a particular product or have to touch grass. The whole point of this discussion thread is for people to give their thoughts on this route regardless if it's positive or negative

I do agree that it is nice that we have a third party making a urban route however. We don't get urban routes very often in TSW

 

They’re not doing anything. This is a sole developer who has done it all themselves.

 

Like the majority here, a bit disappointed it’s not an end to end route but still will be a day 1 purchase for me as I love London routes.
Really hoping the developer will announce an extension to Richmond or Clapham will come at some point.
Although a short route, I believe there’s 16 stations compared to the Goblins 13.

 

I totally agree with you! Even though I'm not a fan of subways/urban routes, I think the work done on this one is truly remarkable! This guy is so talented... And he did it all by himself! I'll consider buying this one on sale, or if it will be completed all the way to Richmond. Again, the route looks very good from first screenshots !!

 

Some of these commenters need to realise this is a one guy with his first release and reign their expectations. 12 miles of dense urban landscape and a new train included is no mean feat for a solo dev.

Personally this is the sort of endeavour I’m especially happy to support and already looking forward to adding this to my collection.

 

Yes every aspect of the route is done by me

 

As I have said good luck to the lad in getting a route done, but personally this were perhaps the last thing I wanted to see, as in reality this is going to be absolutely no different to Goblin, which is dull as dishwater, but manages to combine that horrible driving experience from Goblin with another just as sour tasting Electrostar which will likely put it below Goblin. Of course I will imagine the scenery (not that I would call it scenic at all) will be done to a high standard, but frankly this route will not have a standout feature which will make me buy it out of interest. This is why I bought Goblin as it were a new experience in the game, but this following the exact same path of Goblin really puts me off.

Hopefully he'll be able to use this as a foundation to find a route where he can provide that standout feature, but from my eyes it is just combining two of the most horrible things in TSW together.

If you hadn't already guessed the NLL will not be one that I'll be buying.

 

18 Stations:

Stratford
Hackney Wick
Homerton
Hackney Central
Dalston Kingsland
Canonbury
Highbury & Islington
Caledonian Road & Barnsbury
Camden Road
Kentish Town West
Gospel Oak
Hampstead Heath
Finchley Road & Frognal
West Hampstead
Brondesbury
Brondesbury Park
Kensal Rise
Willesden Junction

 

Not my era and not my area, so definitely not going to be buying this route.

However, the screen shots look good and can clearly see that a lot of effort has been put into it, so that's pretty awesome.

 

It is outstanding that one person has made this, but to see an already short route have sections lopped off is a bit disappointing. I'd have much rather waited longer to get the full route. Not sure whether I'll buy this day 1 or wait for a sale.

 

Good to see 18 stations. Here is a link to the map of the route and what adjoins it and where! I agree that it is one person who is making and from the images shown it is quite something special.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mildmay_line#:~:text=The Mildmay line is a London Overground railway,and Stratford in the east, avoiding central London.

 

Absolutely, everyone is allowed to have their own taste!
I personally enjoy GOBLIN a lot, and I'm sure a lot of other players do too.
I think that's the beauty of TSW, everyone can customise their game with the routes and rolling stock they enjoy playing