Hello all, I was wondering what the general feel for London Underground routes is in the community. I, for one, believe that these routes would be a great fit for TSW, especially the northern line. A lot of lines would offer a non-linear gameplay experience with different branches and peak hour services. Also, does anyone know the possibility of these routes coming in the future?
I wouldn’t mind another underground line, be nice to drive some of the other stock. Thing is that it’s not my preferred gameplay so whilst I’d get abit of use out of it, I would get it on a sale. The other thing is that I really need DTG to pull their finger out when it comes to the core, just too many issues for me right now to get buzzed over new content.
I’m not opposed to them. I’d like to see the Jubilee out of them all, you could have the option of driving with ATO or driving manually with the added challenge of lining up the train with the platform screen doors.
Yes I’d like more for sure. Pretty unique feel to driving them; and not all are underground either like the Central line and the Metropolitan line, which makes them interesting drives.
I don't know how many LU lines have gone over to full ATO operation now. And if we are going for a super realistic simulation, it sort of makes those lines and rolling stock pretty useless... Yeah they'd look aesthetically pleasing but wouldn't offer much in terms of playability. However, who's to say a developer couldn't make a slightly backdated route such as the Metropolitan Line with A60/A60 Stock, or the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City Lines with C Stock and D Stock. A quirky little route might be the Waterloo & City Line. But, once again, has it gone over to ATO?
I *personally* think a really good route would be Northern line and Waterloo and City line. The Northern line already has a fair amount of branches and a lot of service variation, and the Waterloo & City would only be another 1.5 miles, between 2 stations that already exist on the Northern line. It is still unlikely dovetail will use my idea, but I still think it is a good one and something I would pay good money for.
Yes but not in the modern or ATO era. To me the tube will always be 1938/1959 or 1962 stock on the deep level, with C69, A60, D78 or even older CO/CP and R stock on the sub surface. Give me Northern or Central Line in 1979 and Day One purchase.
So,to my understanding, the general feeling towards London underground routes is that they would be appreciated, particularly pre - ATO routes. So, Dovetail, if you're reading this, you know the community would like a London underground route and you could make some money off it!
I've seen that a few people who are opposed to modern Underground routes don't like the look of them because the use ATO now, but I'd like to point out that modern stock on the underground hasn't always used ATO, except the Victoria Line stock. Even the 1996 stock hasn't always used ATO. Probably the best way to do a modern Underground route would be to set it back to when ATO wasn't used, but the route is still virtually the same or very similar to what it is today.
Yes I would like to see more Lu routes. Something like the central line where there's sections above and below ground etc. I don't see a problem with ato as the trains can be driven in manual mode.
Dlr trains can be driven manually. I agree, the DLR is a very unique railway that would be great to see in tsw. I've always loved london's docklands, especially London City Airport.
The point is though, manual operation is not de facto for ATO and may even be subject to strict restrictions on speed or distance. So, as noted earlier, the best compromise with those for anathema to a more vintage era, is to use a prototype where new stock was in use but with the route still having normal signalling and operations.
For me I’d like one of the sub surface lines this time around and preferably in the transition period which varies by stock and lines but all happened between 2010 - 2017
I think that the only way the DLR would make it into the game would be as AI only on a C2C route or maybe a Jubilee line. In my opinion the best Underground route to do would be the Metropolitan Line due to the variety and the fact that it is not just tunnels for ages. The Metropolitan is also mostly manually operated with only a short section of ATO. However this could easily be made fully manual by setting it back a few years but still including the S stock as the ATO was only implemented very recently.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Northern line. So I can route hop at Euston onto the WCML and get out of London as fast as humanly possible,
I have just recently completed the Bakerloo timetable, I enjoyed it because it gives a unique driving experience. However, long term you are spending most of your time in tunnels and it get monotonous fairly quickly. Nice to pick up and play for a while, but not so much fun to play long term like completing a timetable.
Metropolitan Line is a must have for me, it bring new stock to the game and much of it is above ground too so more varied. Also JT have all the data ready for it to become a TSW route.
To be honest I done the smaller timetable, but it still took 6 months off and on to complete and compared to the larger timetable I wasn't even half way through. I got a good sense of achievement for completing the timetable, but not so sure if I would like to do another underground timetable.
I'm over halfway through completing the updated timetable, I agree it can be repetitive, but it helps in regards to immersion that its the full line so you can download the real life Line Working Timetable from the TfL website and replicate a shift. Relatively rare to have that roleplay ability with routes in TSW.
This is why classic Northern Line would be great as you have the two separate routes through central London, the various northern branches and some of the stations still had those scary narrow island platforms, like Angel.
Personally I wouldn't be interested in another Underground line, especially if it were a modern rendition. I find Bakerloo incredibly dull after not much time at all, so wouldn't buy any other LU route either.
The Hammersmith and city line makes the most sense really, you have a busy Barking with the freight, the class 710s and maybe class 387s substituting for the C2C, you have the run along the Great Western line and a long and varied route itself which would give something like an hour of driving, it makes sense.
I´ve always wanted to see the Central Line with all it´s different branches on any kind of simulator.... even throw in the heritage part to Ongar as an extra. That would be amazing.
I like the ones with the sticker over the control panel, so the kids can pretent to drive them. Or grown ups!
I’d always support another Underground route. Bakerloo was spectacular and the one route that managed to hook me to TSW as a (then-) rookie
Only if we can get the proper in train announcements. If DTG can sort this out then I will happily pay for a well made underground route.
Back in the early 80’s a group of us went out to Ongar on a real ale pub crawl (back when real ale wasn’t either malty dishwater or overhopped battery acid). Believe me, travelling back by tube from Ongar into Central London then to Euston for the train home to Northampton was quite a challenge of grim determination and cross legs. One and only time I was happy to pay to use the Superloo at Euston!!
I’m not opposed to LUL lines per se but I find the underground section of the Bakerloo very boring so something like the Northern Line, even with its varied routes and operations would not interested me. I would love to see the Metropolitan Line, preferably with A stock trains. The modern ones with ATO in the underground sections would not be a challenge to drive. JT did a great job with it on TSC (even using S Stock). It would be a waste without the Chesham Branch though.
I don't live in London so wouldn't have an overall preference to an Underground line but I'd support it if it was done well and like others have said, have announcements on the train and on the platform. Though in my younger days when I'd have frequent railway trips if I was in London I'd often use the Circle line to get to other stations, so if I'd have to pick any line, that would be my choice I suppose.
Haha. Probably yeah. One of the kids has a toy control panel with handles and some buttons! Will glue it to the top of the panel next time I'm on the dlr.
