Route Information 36 trains per hour at peak times 27 trains per hour during off peak periods 13 miles end to end 16 stations ATO operation Deep Level Underground line Route Map Rolling Stock 2009 Stock Cab Due to most platforms on the Victoria line being on the right hand side of the direction of travel, the manual driving controls and Deadman's handle are all on the right hand side of the train As seen in the image below left hand side of cab shown in image below ATO All Victoria line trains are automatically operated with no input from the driver apart from opening and closing doors at stations. At this moment in time, I am unsure whether ATO is able to be implemented into TSW 4 Possible Add-Ons Victoria line 1967 Stock Depots Northumberland Park Depot And that brings us to the end of this suggestion. Thank you for reading
Nice looking train and route but there's like you said the ATO. If it's not implemented it's not realistic and if it is I don't want to just open and close doors for 1h.
I love the deep level tube lines and the London Underground in general as I am sure most of you have gathered multiple times.
There are far better tube lines, and in an earlier era too, than the Victoria Line which has always been ATO operated.
Other than the Waterloo & City, I think the Victoria Line would be worst London Underground line to have in TSW. That it's ATO and always has been means that it would basically be like watching a Cab View video. Worse, there's no operational variety aside from depot runs and worst of all, the line is completely underground in single bore tunnels. No thank you. Any other Underground line (apart from the aforementioned W&C) would be infinitely more interesting. I seem to recall the main reason they did the Bakerloo Line was because it was the only line that actually involves driving the train from end to end.
Even W&C set back in the 487 era would be more interesting if modelled in intricate detail, including the “travolator” at Bank. Before LUL took it over had a unique atmosphere and even smell all of its own. Perfect £9.99 stocking filler.
There's the Piccadilly Line as well which according to Matt was narrowly missed out on having in TSW, they debated which one of the two routes they wanted to include in TSW2 and even modelled some of the Pic, but ultimately they went with the Bakerloo Line which we have today. It's been four years since the release of BKL now and I'd love to see the Piccadilly Line, it offers more branches and a different driving experience. I'd like to disagree, it is a train sim after all and if that's how trains are running increasingly in the modern era then I think they deserve some representation in the 'Train Simulator', and every Underground Line even if automatic can still be driven manually which is routine procedure on certain days of the week. We haven't seen any ATO routes in TSW yet, not even routes that are semi-automatic (some areas manual some automatic) like the Elizabeth Line or the Thameslink Core and I think it would be a unique fun experience. I can imagine myself enjoying a few drinks and a snack while doing an ATO run and enjoying it a lot just controlling the doors and doing manual depot moves, but I guess everything in moderation as overall people prefer routes where you do the work yourself which are still plentiful these days, I say this would be a niche but nice route to have. One thing the sim does unintendingly replicate is the physical and mental exhaustion after doing a full end-to-end run including a return journey, I guess you wouldn't really get this with a route where the train can drive itself
I can't see an ATO line being popular even when there is the option to drive manually. Suggestions for the DLR have not been popular in this forum in the past. But my biggest issue is the single bore underground driving with no outdoor sections, aside from depot runs. My preference is for an Underground line that has lengthy outdoor sections with an underground central section, which means my order of preference is District, H&C/Circle, Metropolitan, Central, Piccadilly, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria, W&C. I'd be fascinated to see what the community thinks though so I'll put a poll up.
I understand your sentiment though I feel the DLR is an entirely different beast seeing as it was designed with a lack of a 'permanent' driver in mind, instead opting to use a Passenger Service Agent who is more of a Guard, e.g. they spend most of their time in the trailing carriages checking on passengers and controlling the doors away from the front of the train. Whereas the Victoria Line whilst ATO, has a permanent driver in the cab at all times, who is ready to take manual control of the train at any point if necessary. I personally quite like the single bore tunnels, they are a great engineering achievement and it's a shame DTG didn't model the variations they have, in real life the tunnels have a distinct look depending on what era they were built in with differences in cladding and ballast etc, and all tube tunnels have emergency lights which can be turned on by the driver or service control if needed, though this was left out in TSW sadly. I find driving through barren countryside uninteresting, though I understand people have different preferences
One of the things I love about operating virtual trains is feeling like I'm part of a big operation, seeing trains pass in the other direction adds to the immersion for me. I find just seeing tunnel/station/tunnel/station a bit boring, pun intended. Life can be lonely enough without feeling isolated and alone in a simulation. I'm not doubting what an amazing engineering went into making the system, but I'd be hugely disappointed if DTG announced the Victoria Line and wouldn't buy it, but each to their own.
To experience the Victoria Line in TSW, just drive back and forth in the underground bits of the Bakerloo Line and pretend the station names are different.
I completely agree with the final few statements that you made. Routes such as the LNER in TSW4 are so boring as there is no action involved.
