Loosen Up On The Overspeed

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  1. Jammerjonn

    Jammerjonn New Member

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    In the tutorials if you over-speed you get a warning sound and you have to push the button. However in game play, if you go over by 1 mph, the train shuts down. This isn't realist. Loosen the over-speed to say 5 or even 10 over before shut down and include the over-speed warning\button press which is realist. Otherwise if you stay under speed by a few mph, your docked points for being late.
     
  2. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Is that in train simulator? If so which loco? I have driven way more than that in all sorts of things and just get the yellow bar (and if in a career scenario huge point loss)
     
  3. 749006

    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Why is being told off for Speeding not realistic?
    A real driver can lose his job if he speeds and all the trains have Data Recorders, like a Black Box, so the drivers don't speed.

    There are two main types of Scenario Career and Standard (yes I know there are others)

    With a Career Scenario you are expected to drive the train correctly, to stop at the stations in the correct spot and not speed between them
    IF you do it correctly you set some points.
    Speeding is not doing it correctly so the game considers you are Cheating to gain the points.

    A Standard scenario does not give you points but at the same time it does not shut the game down if you speed.

    Peter
     
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  4. JGRudnick

    JGRudnick Well-Known Member

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    That depends on what country you're in. There are a lot of times here in the US that a train runs over a defect detector and the train is going a couple mph over the speed limit. They don't get fired from their jobs.
     
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  5. Jammerjonn

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    I tired the Amtrack Pacific linner and 1 mph over and the brakes automatically bring the train to a stop. No warning buzzer or light etc. 1 mph over and you're shut down to zero and then you have to restart. Drivers tell me they are allowed 5 over with a warning buzzer.
     
  6. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I think that it must be part of the scripting either of the scenario or the loco because not all of them are like that, but I did find a scenario the other day that did similar
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    As I said above Play a Standard Scenario and nothing happens when you over speed - apart from the HUD saying you are speeding.
     
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  8. rgraptor602

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    I am having this no matter what train route the second I go 1 mph over the limit emergency brakes are applied no alert nothing. This happens even in quick drive and I have no clue how I am to fix it
     
  9. Brickrail782

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    You might want to check and see if the "Auto Braking" setting is enabled.

    Just ran a test with a Surfliner trainset. Auto Brakes on, train grinds to a halt. Auto Brake off, nothing happens.
     
  10. paulc

    paulc Well-Known Member

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    The only train I regularly use that cares about overspeed is the 390 pendolino with its TASS system often intervening when I miss a speed limit sign.
     
  11. torfmeister

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    Don't confuse the game engine with the loco's safety systems. As the game does not care (only deducting points in Career mode w/ scoring enabled) this is actually realistic safety systems that are scripted on these locos.

    I understand complaining about missing features, not about correctly working simulation. Everything is up to the specific loco's developer - not the TSC game engine - which allows almost anything in terms of content creation.
     
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  12. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    I don't mind having to not speed. What does annoy me though, is once past 100mph, you get flagged for speeding as soon as it hits 101, and because there's no decimal place past 100, you have no idea if you are doing 100.1 or 100.9. It's easy enough to stick to say 1 mph under, but I wish it cut you a little slack, say 2mph. I doubt a real driver would get into trouble if he momentarily did 101mph in a 100 limit.
     
  13. torfmeister

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    It's not usual driving at the limit in real life, because you can't react to gradient changes. In Germany you stay 5 km/h below usually.

    My cousin was a train driver and he said under no circumstances whatsoever you are permitted to go faster than allowed.

    I know about the ETAs which lead to racing in TS, but I go for realistic simming which means turning off scoring and the HUD. Career scenarios can be finished that way without warning messages and you can even be late - which is realistic (except for Japanese routes ;) )
     
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  14. Pookeyhead

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    I don't normally, but there is the odd occasion where you just let it drift and see the speeding bar flash up when you are barely over the limit. In fact, driving a Pendolino or something fast, you get a speed warning even while it still says 125. I always stay under the limit, but sometimes if you fail to notice a gradient in time, you can just squeek over that limit before you can react.
     
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    So says a Car Driver.
    A train driver would get in to trouble going over the line speed even a slight amount.
    Theses days any train that goes on the mainline must have OTMR, even Steam Trains.

    But the speedos on most of the older trains are mechanical and only some of the newer trains have Digital Speedos.
    There is a bit of latitude with the older speedos but not so much with Digital ones.
    Most drivers would be happy at 99mph instead of 100mph because the timings are not that tight.
    Unlike some of those in the game
     
  16. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    Even in a train with an analogue gauge?
    This was my point. In such a train, surely it's not possible to be accurate to less than 1mph? Particularly annoying is when you are driving something like the 37 where the gauge needle wobbles about and you are driving with the HUD switched off.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Then drive like a Real Driver and don't drive exactly at the line speed - just a mile or so below.
     
  18. triznya.andras

    triznya.andras Well-Known Member

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    Actually, the HUD rounds, so it shows 101 as soon as you hit 100.5 - no need to worry about the penalty like that.
    Of course if you're going downhill and waiting with braking until the last microsecond, it will be a problem.

    I'd argue the root cause of the problem are the timings which require you to go very close to line speed, often faster.
    Occasionally it happens in real life, the real timetable for Trier-Koblenz cannot be met without speeding. (Then again, being a minute late is not the end of the world either.)
    Many trains - and routes - have funny configuration which expects you to travel at 125-150% of max speed.

    Practically, I'd do what torfmeister says, just ignore penalties. I tried a few times for science, overspeed is way more punishing than being late, so just drive safely and responsibly, be late, and write a copy-paste review on Steam that timetables cannot be achieved :D
     
  19. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    I don't, but I'm not a real driver, and on routes I'm not used to, it's not unusual to be caught out by a gradient. I don't get the benefit of being with someone while I learn a route :)
     
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