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Main Track: Berlin - Schwedt (oder)

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by DennyG, May 21, 2021.

  1. DennyG

    DennyG Member

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    With the publication of the main line "Hamburg - Lübeck" and the associated BR112, I had the idea of how it would be if the team from DTG started thinking about creating the main line Berlin - Schwedt (Oder). So far, these are only available in the outdated MSTS and unfortunately with hardly any recognition value. I got the idea in the Steam Forum when other users wrote about how desirable a route from Berlin to Stralsund would be. However, this would be too long for implementation in TSW2. Hence my idea of a shortened form to Schwedt (Oder). Now I hope that it will be well received and that a large number of TSW2 users will persist in it.


    Best regards,
    Denny
     
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  2. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    How long is the Route and which TOC Operates the RE 3?
     
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  3. DennyG

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    I think the route length is approximately 90 km.

    Trains on track:
    DB BR 112, BR114 or BR182 with RE160
    DB Talent2 in composite of 3 wagons, 5 wagons or in combination up to 8 wagons.
    DB 101 with IC and Bpmbdzf (only in direction Stralsund via Eberswalde Hbf.)

    City Train - S-Bahn:
    DB BR481 only from Berlin to Bernau (b. Berlin)

    Freight Service:
    BR204, BR155, or any Trains of the TRAXX-Family
     
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  4. DennyG

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    This will be a renew projekt from the "Berlin S-Bahn" DB AG, of the BR481 and called BR 481-3.0.
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  5. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea and the new rolling stock is DB BR481 & 114. DB BR112 is layered from Haputstrecke Hamburg-Lübeck DB BR182 Rapid Transit and updated to say RE3 Schwedt on the Dostos. Otherwise Reskined from Hamburg-Lübeck black version then paired to DB BR112 Dostos for the route. Freight services layered from RRO RSN Riesa-Dresden Hamburg-Lübeck & Main Spessart Bahn. With Main Spessart Bahn giving DB BR146.2 Dostos for this route.
     
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  6. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    I do like the suggestion starting at Berlin, only thing that i dont like is another Dostos.
     
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  7. grob-e

    grob-e Well-Known Member

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    Well, may I add some information?

    The route will be 97 km long.

    Linienplan.JPG

    The RE3 will run every hour between Angermünde and Berlin Hbf (tief). Every second hour, it will run till Schwedt. It uses mostly following consist:

    RE3 Consist.JPG

    BR 112 + 5 low-entry Dostos. Sometimes there is also the BR 147 with the Dostos.
    Whgen the RE 3 follws the line only to Angermünde (and then to Stralsund, between Schwedt and Angermpnde, there is the RB 61, operated by the NEB with RegioShuttle

    RB61 Consist.JPG

    Between Angermünde and Berlin there are several IC/ICE services, about 70 km to drive the BR 101, with additional stops in Eberswalde and Berlin-Gesundbrunnen.
    ICICE Angermünde.JPG

    Between Angermünde and Berlin-Gesundbrunnen there is also the RE 66, operated by DB Regio with Stadler GTW 2/6 (BR 646)

    RE66 Consist.JPG

    Between Eberswalde and Bernau there is the RB 24, that has three stops, where the REs don't stop. It´s operated by DB Regio with the BR 442 Talent 2.
     
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  8. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    If made the DB BR112 with low entry Dostos comes layered from Hamburg-Lubeck with the dostos destination ft 95 panel updated to say Schwedt the Middle train DB BR650 new train but if Appenweier-Strasbourg was made first before this one that route will give DB BR650 here. Leaving DB BR646 being the new train and for SKA Riesa-Dresden Owners their DB BR442 Talent 2 Red can layer here
     
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  9. DennyG

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    Here are a few interior views of the BR481 from the redesign:

    BR481-innen.jpg
    Keep a distance behind the yellow stripe
    so that the doors can be closed and
    the train continues :)


    BR-481-rollstuhlplatz.jpg
    This marking asks to keep space for passengers with wheelchairs



    View from the passage from car 482 to car 481
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    The pattern for the seats is known from trains operated by the rail subsidiary [DB] Regio AG



    View from the passage from car 481 to car 482
    BR481-ganghinten.jpg

     
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    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Very good suggestion the s bahn Berlin and schwedt(oder) is a must have for tsw2
     
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  12. DennyG

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    I think an associated control car would also be a great idea and enrichment for the existing Loco add-on: BR101 + IC Wagons.

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    DB Bimdzf 271/296/297 – InterCity

    This would be great for TSW2
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    How about the restaurant car WRMz 137 and you cannot use the Pantograph for it if the line uses 25kv 50hz Northern France Southern parts of former Czechoslovakia 1.5kv DC southern France and the Netherlands 3kv DC Belgium Poland the Northern parts of former Czechoslovakia. This is due to RIC Voltage requirements for European Railway coaches except for UK Ireland and Russia
     
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    In Germany all electric Trains works with High Voltage:

    15 KV and a frequenzy of 16,7 Hz


    I think the DB BordBistro would be also a good Idea. But this Wagon works with intern Bord-Electrics 220 Volts.

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    DB 61 80 85-94 457-6 ARkimbs (266.4)
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for telling me and I'm wondering if they still use the restaurant car which is WRMz 137. On the roof of WRMz 137 is a pantograph that's how you can differentiate ARkimbs Bistro Carriage from WRMz 137 restaurant carriage.
     
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    The Wagontype WRMz 137 can only be found in rare cases on other EuroCity trains on European lines such as EC-Trains in CZ or PL by the PKP.
     
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    The roof pantographs were removed from all restaurant coaches during refurbishment in the '90s, as far as I know.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    That should explain it and it's going to be a rare catch on your local German cross-border route which is Hengelo Osnabrück railway. If you tried making this route on model Railway preferably the stuttgart-based Marklin WRMz 137 restaurant carriages still have a pantograph that includes IC31 on Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden if modeled using Marklin Model Railway trains also applies to Henglo-Bad Bentheim Osnabrück railway IC77. Even though the Intercity 31 line uses the Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Würzburg connector past Lohr.
     
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    Today informations about the class 114 DB AG.

    Numerous machines from the Class 143 series are used in local passenger transport. Especially on longer RB and RE connections with few stops in between, the maximum speed of 120 km / h proves to be a hindrance, especially since the fleet of vehicles is often approved for 140 or 160 km / h. Due to their structural similarity to the 112.0 (114) series, it was decided in 2006 to convert some of the 143 series locomotives to 140 km / h and 160 km / h for the purpose of retiring much older, but 140 km / h faster locomotives of the 110 series.

    First the 143 171 was rebuilt. It was given the road number 114 101 and was approved for a top speed of 160 km / h. As part of these conversions, the previous pantographs were exchanged for new ones of the type SSS87, which are equipped with a contact strip breakage monitoring system. The ratio between the drive motor pinion and the large wheel has been changed, the train control and braking equipment has been adapted to the higher speed, the anti-skid software has been modified and the front window has been reinforced. In addition, roll dampers were installed between the locomotive body and the bogie frame. This locomotive was then known as the class 114.1.

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    DB BR114 Vmax. 140 Km/h
     
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    DB BR114 cab
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    114CBE71-742D-47C0-9EFE-B71D1466F0BF.jpeg
     
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    Here you will see the Station of "Schwedt (Oder) Mitte" its the last Station before the Final-Station Schwedt (Oder)
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    I think this station has a certain inviting idyll. It's quiet and cozy here. No stress, no noise. Only the birds can be heard singing here. <3
     
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    Oh please, not another reskinned 143 like the 112 from HHL..
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    The locomotive cab is the same as Ruhr-Sieg Nord DB BR143 and Hamburg-Lübeck DB BR112. However they're just going to do it by Reskinning DB BR143 to make DB BR114 just like how DB BR112 Hamburg-Lübeck was made
     
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    Nope, there aren't any BR 114 on this route, only BR 112 which are slowly replaced by the BR 147.

    The new models on this route would be the BR 481/482 between Bernau and Berlin-Gesundbrunnen ( Berlin S2) and the Stadler GTW 2/6 between Angermünde and Berlin-Gesundbrunnen. So, the route would feature the first german DMU and the first german third rail EMU
     
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    A very good Route with my favourite train the BR481/482
     
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    The class 114 is an upgraded class 143 with the difference that reach an other pantograph and a VMax of 140 km / h, which is absolutely necessary.

    A class 143 should not be used for this track, because the limit of 120 Km/h is problematic and massivere slows down the entire train traffic!

    Regarding class 112, i can only say: It's a shame and sad at the same time that the implementation of class 112 is only a decal of class 143 ... What a shame ...

    Maybe DTG will finally do a better work with a class 114 and have learned from they mistakes.

    I also hope that the lights of class 112 will be corrected, as the size ratio of the headlight is disproportionate to the two main headlights ...
     
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    Absolutely correct and for DB BR143 it does struggle on Main Spessart Bahn and Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen because of those routes having a 160 km/h (100 mph) section. However DTG will make DB BR114 via a reskined DB BR112 for Hamburg-Lübeck.
     
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    What you here seeing is Cargo Train Service in Schwedt (Oder)
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    DB BR296 with special Coupling unit.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    The Special Coupling unit is in game for DB BR363 Ruhr-Sieg Nord. DB BR296 is part of DB BR204 family DR East Germany V100 locomotives. The Way That Dovetail Games will make the locomotive is Taking the Base DB BR204 then attach DB BR363 couplers to it.
     
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    Actually the BR 296 is a part of the West German V90-family, so it can't be modelled from an east german V100!
     
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    Ok then and for the locomotive in the picture it's a DB BR298 part of East German V100 the DB BR204 on Main Spessart Bahn. I used railfaneurope.net stock list DE DB Cargo
     

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