Accessibility Make People From Poland Pay Less.

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  1. andrew#7914

    andrew#7914 Member

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    Excuse me, ale Poles worse than Americans? let's look at Midland Main Line, Americans pay 39,99 USD for it, which is 160, 68 PLN. And the thing is, poles pay for it on steam 184,99 PLN. Are Poles worse than Americans? 184,99 PLN is ###### a lot of money that is hard earn, discrimination, please make poles pay same price as Americans.
     
  2. Xander1986

    Xander1986 Well-Known Member

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    I dont know what here the problem is but what kind of tax do you pay in your'e country? Could be possible that kind of product has extra tax on it..... DTG has no influence on tax prices.... And please can you change your'e writing manners?!
     
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  3. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    And you don’t need to spam the same question twice…
     
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  4. andrew#7914

    andrew#7914 Member

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    In Poland, taxes are very high, and there is also inflation, which raises the prices of everything a lot, and the price which we pay for the dlcs is too high for polish people to buy them, 184,99 PLN is amount of money, that you all don't know how much it is.
     
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    Matin_TSP Well-Known Member

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    Well, aparently 184,99 Zloty is 42,6 Euros. So... i now know it :D
     
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  6. Xander1986

    Xander1986 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah if that is your'e own conclusion why you write a message like that? Its total out rages and has nothing to do with DTG
     
  7. Princess Entrapta

    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    17% more than a route costs here in the UK
     
  8. Tigert1966

    Tigert1966 Well-Known Member

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    I‘ve complained about this before (more than one). It’s all down to Steam. JD sent me a reply that DTG only set the price in UKP, USD and Euros. All other currencies are based on the USD price using Steams internal exchange rate, which is so far removed from actual exchange rates that in my view it’s borderline unfair business practice. Here in Switzerland if I convert the price of a DLC back to UKP, I‘m paying 33% more.

    DTG could overrule this (confirmed by steam when I complained to them), but they don’t. So we have the choice to put up with it or not.

    As a particularly bad example Rivet‘s Scottish route was in the Steam Sale. When I worked it out, for me the sale price was still more that the standard UK price.

    So yes, some of these prices are unfair, but DTG are already aware and have done nothing to change it. I guess the vast majority of sales are in their 3 main currencies and they don’t consider it worth the effort.
     
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  9. Xander1986

    Xander1986 Well-Known Member

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    Its very clear that this is not possible to change this! If you do you get complains from countries all over the world and that is not acceptble! Sorry to hear but its what it is!
     
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    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Out of curiosity, just compared the Polish SimRail for price differential.
    £29.50 at full price UK.
    149.99 Zlotys according to Steam DB. Conversion of £29.50 at 5.05 Zlotys to the GBP£ comes out at 149.02.
    So compared to TSW, the OP does have a point otherwise I would have suggested contacting Steam rather than DTG.
     
  11. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Why not let everyone pay less?

    Some DLCs aren't worth their price anyway with the bugs.
     
  12. Xander1986

    Xander1986 Well-Known Member

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    LMAO.... Thats ridiculous of course your'e not required to buy this routes
     
  13. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    I know but wouldn't it be great to not have to pay for anything? Wishful thinking of course and never going to happen, but one can dream.
     
  14. trainsimplayer

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    And who's paying the developers wages, then?
    Or do they not deserve it because of some bugs...?
     
  15. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    If it was free, the company no longer exists. Prices wouldn't really change because of changes in the economy every since covid and other political and economical reasons. Inflation, increased cost is living, workers wanting/demanding more money
     
  16. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    I never said they shouldn't charge money as they have every right to.

    What I'm saying is that the price we are paying isn't worth it for bugged content.
     
  17. andrew#7914

    andrew#7914 Member

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    you're right, but routes and locos profuced by Rivet games, doesn't bug, glitch or lag for me, but i don't know if all rivet games routes doesn't lag, because i have only west cornwall local, so if you know something about it, then you can let me know.
     
  18. AtherianKing

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    a route won’t just “bug” it will contain “bugs”, these are basically things what are either unintentionally wrong resulting in a bad player experience or a feature what’s supposed to work but doesn’t to at least some degree but perhaps completely.

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    regarding the original topic, it’s sounds like Poland has extra taxes involved, these are an issue for Poland to do whatever with, and shouldn’t be a cause for DTG to do anything with that.
     
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  19. Princess Entrapta

    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    Or more specifically, making an observation we're all aware of unfortunately, that Steam's conversion rates are not reflective of real world currency exchange rates or other economic realities. Unfortunately not an aspect of the pricing DTG/Focus have control over.
     
  20. OldVern

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    Ah but as I pointed out earlier in the thread, SimRail does sell for a price comparable with the UK. So in this case not so easy just to blame Steam.
     
  21. Tigert1966

    Tigert1966 Well-Known Member

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    As I pointed out earlier, Steam has an exchange rate. Unless the publisher overrides that, which they are allowed to do, then Steam uses the USD price and does a conversion based on their own exchange rate. It’s certainly not sales tax as that is only 8% where I live yet I end up paying 33% more than the UK do where VAT is higher.

    Point is DTG could override this but choose to only override for UK, Euro and USD. This was all confirmed by JD when the big difference first started at the last price rise. So Switzerland and Poland, in the ops case, are stuck paying higher prices.

    The only system that actually keeps prices in line with actual exchange rates is PlayStation. A standard price DLC costs 35 CHF on the PS Store and the same DLC costs 44.50 CHF on Steam.

    TLDR: Steam is ripping people of by overcharging on exchange rates. DTG could override this, but they don’t.
     
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  22. RobertSchulz

    RobertSchulz Well-Known Member

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    The only way out of out the disaster with ridiculously high prices (and even independent of whether list prices in your country are higher than usual or not) is to purchase less DLCs and/or only buy the ones you really are interested in on a Steam sale.

    I'm in € curreny and never did and would never buy any game or DLC which is not on sale for its full list price. Sometimes I bought more games/DLCs than I initally wanted or needed, but at least I can say thereafter I got more of them for less money.

    This is my personal financial strategy. At least, it works a little if you can come up with a little bit of patience for the next sale.
     
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