Metropolitan Line (jt) - After Honest Opinion

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  1. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Watching the Alan Thomson video review this looks quite good, even though I'm not a fan of modern stock.

    However go to Steam and the reviews are mostly negative, mainly performance and crash (as in lock up/CTD).

    I would only think about picking up in the sale but a bit conflicted as to who is telling the truth and whether my £14.99 (assuming 50% off) would be better spent elsewhere.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. BigMountain555

    BigMountain555 Well-Known Member

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    I try not to bother with Steam reviews. I prefer to watch YouTube videos instead. I read reviews on this forum and watch YouTube before making my decision. The Steam reviews tend to be overly negative about everything.
     
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  3. theorganist

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    Some of the steam reviews are quite idiotic to be frank. Some people give negative reviews of DLC because they haven't read the manual, so can't get said train to work or haven't got another dependency installed where it is clearly alluded to in the description. Some just seem to want to be unpleasant.

    There are a few detailed reviews, but as said above I tend to watch streams or youtube videos.
     
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  4. bart2day

    bart2day Well-Known Member

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    I bought the Met line from Steam at Christmas and it is probably my favourite route in TS. Nothing wrong with the Steam version at all for me and as theorganist says, most of them seem to be from people who haven't read the manual/description and don't know that the S7+1 and S8 have to be purchased separately. For that reason I'd recommend buying the bundle that Steam offer with the S7+1 which was around £20 in the Xmas sale. That way you have the appropriate stock to run on it with the included scenarios. Be prepared for a learning curve though with the approach controlled signals.

    Unfortunately the route does have some performance issues and I often have my FPS dip down to 15 in places. If you are on a mid level machine or above though it should be fine.
     
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  5. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys. The bundle sounds the way to go assuming it gets that level of discount. The other route I definitely want to pick up is Welsh Marches. In fact in order of priority goes something like this…
    1. Welsh Marches.
    2. Metropolitan ( with or without S7 stock).
    3. Bossman Light Bulleid Pacifics.
    4. West Somerset Railway (seems to be needed for a lot of freeware).
    5. (TSW) Arosa Line.

    Got £50 banked on my Steam account so will see how things rock later.
     
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  6. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Actually reading further, it looks like the main issue is that the route itself does not actually come with a train, just an AI version of the S8. If you want the S8 to run the scenarios, then you need to buy it separately. That doesn't look so enticing, TBH.
     
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    bart2day Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's correct. However the route comes with scenarios for both the S8 and the S7+1 so if you get the bundle with the S7+1 you get about a dozen scenarios to run.
     
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  8. R3dS41ft

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    The S7+1 is also a requirement for the Virtual District Line, if you are interested in running it.
     
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  9. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    £18.91 for the route with S7+1 pack in the sale, Can't not buy at that price. In fact, went in the basket before Welsh Marches. Something like a 65% discount!
     
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    Nice ! Please keep us informed if it works smoothly :)
     
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  11. Nick Y

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    It's a a nice route but has a steep learning curve for the stock and signalling. The scenery is quite good but you do need to buy the add-on stock (S7+1 or S8) as it doesn't come with any.
    I bought it direct from JT along with the S8 stock and had to read the manual several times.
    I also still get emergency stopped due to passing signals when I shouldn't.
     
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  12. Craigie-C

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    Totally agree with your comments, it is definitely a steep learning curve, but well rewarding when you achieve a success.
    This is certainly not a route or loco for a beginner but is a superb add on for the more experienced user.
    Currently the s7 is on sale for £9.89 on steam.
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1230278/Train_Simulator_London_Underground_S71_EMU_AddOn/
    Also the Metropolitan Line is on sale currently for £14.99
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/...Line_Aldgate__Uxbridge__Amersham_Route_AddOn/
    or
    Grab both for £18.49 - 64% discount
    Certainly recommend as an add on just keep your eyes on the sales as it is not cheap to buy full price.
     
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  13. Peter Hayes

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    The MT is an excellent route I had OOM issues with a couple of scenarios but the latest update fixed those as well.
    I have the JT version - not steam,
    There are some great videos on YouTube including some on the signalling (complex).
    Page 26/27 of the JT manual is a must-read - showing how to restart if you pass any signal at danger OR at the wrong speed.
    IMO buy the S7+1 and the S8 packs - these make a lot of difference
    There is a new enhancement pack for the JT version - out today.
    Hope you enjoy it!
     
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  14. Cyclone

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    Do you own a Chiltern Main Line or London-Aylesbury? No? You will not have a problem. The only possible issue could be a difference with a coach pack or HST pack or something which has an identical name with one elsewhere. As for why those two routes are my question? They use the same set of Chiltern assets. EVERY Chiltern asset in Metropolitan is with the original route. I think Aylesbury is the same. Many of the problems with graphics and such come from different copies of the same file in AP files. If you have either of these routes and add Metropolitan, extract the entire archive inside the ChilternMainLine folder (overwrite if prompted) and you should be fine for now.

    If you have further issues, DM me. I have done file research and may be able to figure out other problems.
     
  15. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to say but after numerous OOMs trying to resume a saved game plus at least one broken scenario I refunded it. Now spent the money on the NZ route and Ja steam loco instead. I may try again later in the year, if the pack gets a similar discount in the Xmas sale.
     
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    Be prepared - NZ Midland is probably the most hardware demanding route out there - it's nice but you'll probably have to reduce scenery density - there's just too much vegetation assets.
     
  17. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Strange to say having read that in the manual I was dreading having traded one memory intensive route for another I had shot myself in the foot. Relieved to say thus far no OOM’s, frame rate has dipped to around 17 FPS a couple of times but otherwise stable. And the Ja exercises the brain even more than the Bossman UK stuff, especially having to manage the oil feeds doesn’t leave much time for sightseeing! Great stuff.
     
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  18. jklimentowski

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    Metropolitan line with S7+1 stock is one of the best routes in terms of stopping services. Really well made, beautiful, varied with interesting features. There are also 4 destinations starting from London, so it gives a lot of replayability. We can even pick the express service following separate tracks on Marylebone - Aylesbury route up to Amersham.

    It has some problems though. For me the QD to Amersham/Chesham was broken by a train which blocked the route and didn't move - I had to edit it to move it closer so it would pass my position. I had similar problem in one of the scenarios. Not sure if it is my CPU or bad beta testing? (I think that JT has some general problem with their routes which causes the dispacher to make strange routings sometimes. For example on London - Aylesbury route the QD fom Aylesbury via Princess is broken and when I tried to fix it it wasn't possible, the dispatcher always picked up wrong way routing into another train...)

    Of course the price tag on both route and the train is pretty hight so I can really recommend it on sale.

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