So this is a huge mistake issues on the Class 801, specifically the Class 801/1 variants. Not just where the pantagraph are raised are wrong (pretty sure that is mentioned too many times now). Is that the Class 801/1 is missing a buffet car. As an example with this video and (its suppose to be at 26:06, for some reason yt didnt recognize it) you can clearly see coach B of both the Class 801/1 in the video is the buffet coach, which in game, the Class 801/2 have and the Class 801/1 doesn't. So would DTG ever fix this? Just simply code the Class 801/1's coach b just to be the buffet car? Somebody please let DTG know about this.
Their is only one variant in the game the shorter one is just shorter and was intentionally not modelled to the real one, it’s their for size realism for certain services.
They explained that they only had whatever was delivered to them on the night to work with, which was an 801/2. So they had to make do with the interiors they had access too. Whether LNER let them access an 800 and an 801/1 in future is yet to be seen
What- Why? What do you mean by the shorter one was intentionally not modeled to the real one? okay sure. But I am pretty sure the interior of both the buffet car in real life of the 801/1 and 2 are exactly the same. Unless there a proof they are different then I am wrong. Only given access to one variant doesn’t mean they can’t do their research. It only takes you a few second just to find that a class 801/1 have a buffet car on coach B. That is not an excuse.
Buffet and restaurant cars or rather the lack of, seems to be a repeat theme of DTG rolling stock development.
they only modelled one of them (the longer one) to be correct, the shorter one was just added by taking pieces from the longer one and wasn’t meant to be exactly accurate.
Thats, isn't very nice? For a lack of a better word. They didnt bother doing a few seconds of research? And that isnt very realistic being in a train simulation game, as of the lack of different trains on the ECML, bugged numbers on the class 801, pantagraph being rasied at the wrong position isn't already bad enough.
they gave themselves time to do one and gave us a reduced version for the 5 car services, not a game breaker for me and something a bit more than leaving the entire 5 car services Absent.
You mean, they didn't try to model an 801/1 out of thin air, since they didn't have a real one to examine. That is more than "a few seconds of research."
In order to get the appropriate amount of research material needed, dtg would need almost unrestricted access to the entire carriage, something you can't do when there are other fare paying passengers aboard.
I don’t know what I’ve missed in this thread, but doesn’t the /2 have a buffet car which could be inserted into the /1 consist? Isn’t that OP’s point?
Oh, yeah. I can just imagine: "Excuse me, could I tell you to go to another carriage so I can take pictures inside this one for a train simulator." Yeah... no. Not happening.
What I mean is dtg would likely need to take a large amount of photographs from inside the carriage to get all the necessary reference material they would need, something which would be very difficult to do if there were passengers aboard.
still, i wouldve rather have the 801/1 to have a buffet car for coach b even though is incorrect, but its mostly correct i'd say as again, irl its actually a buffet car, just copy the buffet car from class 801/2 over to the class 801/1 wouldnt be a big deal. instead of just being completely incorrect with no buffet car in existence at all on the /1 consist. (even according to LNER's seat map, class 801/1 coach B and class 801/2's coach G real difference are a extra 2 seats and a luggage rack).
which one would you prefer though, actually attempting to try and replicate something as close as possible or decide to just screw it and not even try.
I would rather wait until they can get the actual reference material. I don't play this game to not have realistic interiors.
Again, I said more accurate, not completely accurate. If that's the case then surely you want there to not be 801/1s in the game at all at the moment.
No, because those services would either be missing (making the route mostly empty), or use the 801/2 for all services (which is unrealistic and more of a deal breaker than a missing buffet coach).
