Mittenwaldbahn Discussion Thread!

Mittenwaldbahn is the confirmed TSG route!









In addition to this nice route, the loco is the OBB 1020, the crocodile of the railway! Get it?





kick off the discussion!!

 

Interesting, certainly excited to see more austrian routes.
Maybe a new train? Though I am not sure.

 

confirmed to have the OBB 1020

 

Damn that’s one ugly train. Looks are very deceiving sometimes though so hopefully it sounds like a beast and runs like one too ??. I’ve never seen or heard of it before so wouldn’t know.

 

Very welcome change from the collection of German/Austrian routes that go through the plains and around the mountains. This is about as scenic as it gets, just hope TSG route building techniques can do it justice given the issues earlier routes like Arosa had with mountain scenery.

 

Yikes... She is not winning any looks contest.
Yet I am so glad we are getting a much older austrian locomotive!

 

That engine is a monster, trust me! Double "C" bogie (3 axles each), 3MW of power (a lot for the time), but only 90km/h - 56mph!
I also hope for the presence of "Schlierenwagen" regional coaches, perhaps in the most recent livery!


ÖBB 1020 (E 94)

Schlierenwagen ÖBB

Silberlinge DB

Original video, from early 90s!
Can't wait !! 80s, right?

 

Sounds good lol. Also it looks so much better in Red.

 

I'm like 165% excited!

 

So I’m assuming this route will also come with new coaches? Becuse in the first screenshot it kinda looks like theres N-Wagons off to the left.

 

Very undecided about this one. First, it’s not my favourite era. Second, I didn’t really click with any of the other border routes. The more Austria the less appealing to me personally, at first sight, at least, and due to the experience so far…

Also, not expecting to see the 1020 soon on other routes, so no much benefit expected in the future. But I am hoping for layers with the 111 and / or 110 and nWagen with new livery.

I will have to see more details to make up my mind. Will end up buying it anyway After all, it will be TSG quality!

 

I'm so excited for this, finally a historic ÖBB loco which can also be used for Germany, and also some more Austrian content!
Definitely a pre-purchase needed!

 

I didn't expect Mittenwaldbahn, but it's a good pick. The historic setting made me much more excited about the route!

 

These are Silberlinge - bascially what the n-Wagen originally looked like. And afaik it's more than a repaint job. There were huge changes to the interior. So these are new coaches. Maybe even finally a first class? Maybe not. Let's see what they will tease in future.

 

I hope we can also expect new freight wagons, since ÖBB 1020 was primarily created to haul this type of wagon.

 

This is exciting news. It’s just going to be amazing. The route, the loco, the era, the fact it’s developed by TSG. It’s just ticking so many boxes.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the OBB 1020 be the oldest non-steam loco in the game?

 

At first, the announcement of the Mittenwaldbahn didn't really blow me away, but:

I think we can assume that the n-Wagen named Silberlinge will be really nicely made and will also have the well-known brownish interior - at least I hope so. Furthermore, I could well imagine that either the 110, 111 or 218 will be supplied in ocean blue beige. All of that is a nice idea, coupled with a mountain route in TSG quality.

I'm excited to hear more details.

As for the general future of TSW:

Yes, I would also like to see more routes in the north, above all the Marschbahn, of course. I would also like to see more from NRW and the Ruhr area. But all of that is wishful thinking.

 

Mittenwaldbahn is set in a very very interesting era, with loads of loco dlc opportunities.





DB141s
1042s
1044s
DB 628 (Old Design)


And tons tons more, it’s an absolute boatload of loco DLC opportunity!

 

Original Silberlinge with the plastic seats is something I would love to see in the game, second only to UIC corridor stock in original (uncomfortable) condition! As regards the Krokodil, bring it on in green - the older the vintage the better.

 

I hope there will be freight. Because freight runs there even today. Today its from Vils to Hall from Monday to Friday.

So in 1989 the Krokodil with it's 6 axles would be perfect for pulling freight trains.

 

Nah, orange is way prettier.

 

Pretty sure it was confirmed in the discord by ed both the green and the orange liveries will be done

 

I'm very happy for this route, especially if it is made by TSG (TSG = high quality). I only hope the mountain's issue on xbox console won't appear, like on Semmeringbahn and Rosenheim - Salzburg routes

 

Such an incredibly scenic route, linking two very famous and illustrious German/Austrian winter sports towns, with a vintage setting and probably one of the most unique-looking locos ever brought to TSW - and it’s made by TSG! This seriously ticks all my boxes.

Always great to have another route (partly) set in Bavaria as that’s my home state, and I just recently drove past Innsbruck on my way to Italy in the summer. The scenery is about to be mind-blowing. If Rivet already made Bernina look so good, imagine what TSG can do!

 

While (part-)Austrian routes are not my cup of tea, my undying love of vintage electrics necessitates an immediate purchase for the legendary E94. What a loco! I'm really glad that TSG are delving more into the vintage route sector. These are the sorts of locos I long to see in a sim - simple, rugged, vintage electric locos. Now, if I could only persuade them to tackle a 140 ...

All the better if we also get some official SIlberlinge instead of the more modern variants.

 

First the JT Class 87 and 86, now this! These third parties really make vintage electrics great again, and I love them for it! I can't wait to see more of this route, and especially the loco

 

Could well be. The first ones were delivered in 1940.

 

Absolutely wouldn't have expected this. Its a super interesting choice, especially the 1020 is a really cool addition! Also feel like they are targeting a wider audience with this as the Alpine Area is super picturesque and surely will attract more casual players aswell. A lot of opportunities in regards of rolling stock (please make a use of it). Also stoked to see we are getting Silberlinge.

A question for the more knowledged ones : where BR 111 on this Route in 1989 or only the 141s ?

 

Well, you can always repaint it into a German green livery, add PZB90 and run railtours through Germany with it. It's what happened to 1020.10, now better known as E94 088, in real life. Sometimes she even still gets to haul freight trains.

 

I think "she" looks stunning (and ready to pull like everything you will couple to it)

 

Of course, I prefer mostly modern rolling stock, but it's stupid to deny that the Crocodile is just a bomb)

 

Thanks, your post saves me some typing because I feel exactly the same. I don't want to add that at first I was rather disappointed with the announcment. Coincidental I watched an 60 minutes documentation about the DB BR E94 this week and the driver that was interviewed pointed out how "the loco is doing what I want as it should be instead of a computer making bad decisions" - so maybe from the educational site this might be "interesting to drive".

But as you said, it will be TSG quality so I can't not buy it!

 

I actually travelled from Innsbruck to Garmisch in a Silberlinge (well the version painted in ocean blue and cream) in 1982. I couldn’t quite believe that such an iconic and scenic route was served by such basic and Spartan rolling stock. But yes, seriously hoping that’s what will be coming with the route and I need to invest in a hard plastic chair to relive the experience!

 

Judging by the fact it's TSG i'm sure they'll have the accurate interior. Which btw also makes the Silberlinge more work than a repaint job, as the interior has to be changed as well. Also the 3D model.

 

111, E10 and 141, yes. But DB locos were only used on the German side up until Garmisch/Mittenwald. There was a agreement that ÖBB took over the DB coaches at Mittenwald/Garmisch with a loco swap, usually ÖBB 1042/1044. However there were also a handful of corridor trains per day running Reutte-Innsbruck directly via Garmisch, those were all Austrian rolling stock and locos if I remember correctly.
And in return as per agreement, Bundesbahn operated the rest of Garmisch-Reutte services with their own stock on behalf of ÖBB.
Sometimes ÖBB lent the Germans a lead loco for the Section Mittenwald-Klais as the gradient there is quite steep, but I don't know the specifics of that really. However interesting that the Ts1 signal there survived up until today, years after it would've been last used.

 

That's quite unlikely given that (except for the front of the Karlsruhe style cab cars) the n-Wagen were never actually painted in blue/beige. The first time the stainless steel was painted over on the entire coach was for the orange City-Bahn paint scheme in 1984, followed by Produktfarben (mint) in 1986.

 

I wonder what coach type they were then. Definitely blue/beige and definitely open seating as per the picture above. Unless of course my memory is playing tricks on me - it was 42 years ago!

 

Just checking since I’m mostly unfamiliar with Austria: Were their 1020s fitted with some form of Indusi at the time the route is set?

 

Most likely yl-Wagen from the early 50s, as seen here: https://bundesbahnbilder.blogspot.com/2017/09/b4ym-byl-wagen-eilzugwagen.html?m=1. These have doors at each end and in the middle, while the n-Wagen (from the late 50s) have them at ⅓ and ⅔.

ÖBB started fitting them with Indusi in 1965 as far as I can tell, so yes.

Another thing worth noting is that the air brake system on the 1020 is old enough to not have gradual release! That will be interesting on the downhill runs, especially with passenger trains.

 

So... My old "Taschenbuch Deutsche Reisezugwagen" has a few pages on the N-Wagen types. Whilst the pictures are in black & white one is certainly a match for blau/beige and that was a BDnf 736/737 or BSnf-58/58a. There were only 2 built 82-11 100 and 101.
there is also a Bnb 711 or B4nb-58 that appears to be in green, so it may have made it to blau/beige.
I know Fleischmann did do a number of similar coaches in Green and Blau/beige:
The following appears on the Eisenbahn Kurier website :
"The Fleischmann model of the Bymb 421 50 80 21-11 178-8 was examined on May 7, 1971. A 1st/2nd class carriage ABymb411 and a control car BDymf456 complement this series from Fleischmann.
N-gauge railway enthusiasts need the carriages in exactly this version to form the E 1794 Hof - Bamberg - (Würzburg)"

 

Didn’t know anything about this route in real life but having looked into it now this could be very special. Really looking forward to this one.

 

Excellent, mystery solved and I’m not going senile!

 

My guess is some sort of m-Wagen (DBB only really used two kinds of passenger coaches after the Umbaue were retired, not counting TEE/IC). Besides, a G-P to Innsbruck through train wouldn't have been considered a local, so I wouldn't expect Silberlinge on it.

Were the doors at the ends of the coach?

 

the "f" indicates these were Steuerwagen (cab cars), which did get blue/ivory at the driving end. But regular coaches didn't.

These were m-wagen, not n-wagen: originally green, repainted ivory/blue beginning in 1974.

 

I am still wondering why TSG went for the year 1989. What was different 1990 that this year was chosen?!

Maybe it was just the year the had information for, but maybe there was an obvious change on the infrastructure or timetable?!

I have read somewhere that 1989 was they last year yl-Wagen were used on this route. Highly doubt it had to do with that but maybe there is more, as I don’t know the era or area very well?!

 

Niddertalbahn still stands out as one of the prettiest routes developed for TSW. Really looking forwards to this route from TSG as I am sure it will be superb. Using the OBB1020 is a really interesting choice and will give players something totally different to drive.

 

You are correct. The one I have in the book is the older version (Hasenkasten?). I failed to spot the cab. The idea that what OldVern experienced were m-wagen is probably the best solution. Perhaps we can get both types in the new route?

 

Apparently some Krokodils also got blue/ivory repaints

 

Only the 194 178 received the paint job at that time (1976). She remained a loner.

The picture actually shows 194 580 of a private railway company, which has installed the old signage and taken over the paintwork of 194 198. The "real" 194 178 was scrapped in 1988.