I’m super glad and happy that the Arrow III and ALP45DP are in Train Sim World 6. Those were the locomotives I mentioned in the past about it
I was expecting the Long Branch route with the ALP-45 DP, however I'm still very pleased with the offering!
On the Dovetail Direct about them explaining about the Arrow III. The cars connecting the opposite way looks a little bit different and odd than the real life Arrow III. Hopefully they see this before releasing the final product
I'm excited for the Arrow III EMUs, but I hope the route is done better than NEC: New York - Trenton. The ACSES implementation on that route was horrendous, and the ALP-46 and cab car felt unpolished compared to the locos and cab cars in Boston - Providence and Boston - Worcester. If the NJT stock is imported from NY - Trenton without some significant updates, I'll be pretty disappointed.
I just realized why the hell didn’t they extend the line up to Lake Hopatcong NJT runs peak train there plus the Port morris yard is right there it’s a simple 7 extra miles with only one stop
7 miles is still 7 miles. 7 miles of scenery, track, signals, station modeling, simulation. There is a lot in just a simple 7 miles and dtg have to make certain decisions so they be in budget and meet deadlines
I definitely noticed that the section between Penn Station and Newark has been updated compared to the Trenton version.
I love these trains but really got practice with braking . Do the amtrak trains run this route as well.
Between NY Penn & Secaucus they do, but that’s only a few minutes running, mostly through a tunnel. Across the rest of the route it’s all NJT.
In the FAQ it only mentions Amtrak layers as being AI, so they’ll be there but not playable from the looks of it.
It was mentioned in the Roadmap stream that despite the Morristown line being electrified to the end point of this route in Dover, the ALP-45DP is forced to change from electric to diesel (and vice versa) when serving Hoboken terminal, as apparently the locomotives could be used next on a diesel-only service and NJT prohibits power switches in the station itself. For this reason, the ALP-45DPs operate exclusively in diesel in and out of Hoboken. Fun operatinal twist, and it means that the dual power can get a bit of a workout. Matt also raved a bit about the changeover process, and the number of beeps and alarms that occur during the switchover. Turns this from a curiosity into a probable-buy for me.
That's DTG for you lol..Although that would be a nice addition to the dlc. And maybe "7 miles is 7 miles" but I'm pretty sure DTG could've added that...But I guess they had a deadline, just like Dresden remake with an extension with lots of scenery and other stuff for a 100 mile route. No excuses. They didn't even add Newark Penn Station stop in the game, yea thats NEC but still, a bit of extra service at least from NYP to Newark would be cool.
It could have been worse, they could have release Coast Line to Long Branch, instead of Bay Head. And something tells me (probably all 3 routes from New York) that this is exactly how it will be next time. It is clear that they are trying to give the player the maximum for the available budget and time period. But this only makes me angry. They could ask for a little more money, take a little more time, and make a normal complete route, not a cut-off.
I always wanted to know, the layers to add these trains to NY-Trenton with the Arrow 3 and ALP-45DP. I think that will be a slight maybe to add them on to the route. Especially the Arrow 3 that only has the 25k variant for the Hoboken Division and the 12k for the Newark Division
Since I work for NJ Transit, if your talking about the M&E Train it won’t stop at Newark Penn but the Raritan Line and adding ALP45 for the Trenton route then they will add that for just a short route. I know DTG got a lot of time till the 30th to fix the Trenton Line plus the services with the Arrow 3
Hopefully. They got a lot of time in their hand to make the Arrow 3 and awesome train set. Plus use it on the NY Trenton Route with the 12k variant
Where I was going with that statement since layers of NEC/NJCL and Amtrak should be added, I meant that to make an additional playable services to Newark Penn as well since additional layers are in and out of Penn Station to add variety to the game. I hope that helps...And I think few trains on rush hours operate to/from Hoboken to Penn and then beyond on unless that doesn't operate anymore...And me personally it should've been both M&E and MBL in the game if we going to as far as Dover, yea the branches split at both Denville and Newark Broad St, but still. It ain't even full to Hackettstown in the game...Not to mention, we could've probably had the introduction of Bergen/Main Line with a playable shuttle run from Hoboken to Secaucus Lower Level, but I don't remember if they even use the alp45dp's.
Secaucus Lower Level does use the ALP45 along the diesel locomotive GP40-2PH and MNRR F40PH-3. Kinda disappointed they didn’t add that plus the Comet IV and Comet V car sets and cab car as I see these trains all the time along the MBL, NEC, NJCL especially the M&E while I’m doing track work on the tracks. Hopefully later down the road they can add that as an add on for the route
Ohh so we could've at least seen few playable shuttle runs between Hoboken and Secaucus Lower Level...and Why are the Comet cabs STILL not in this game yet. And this why I say US gets the short end all the time.....Just like NY-Trenton, and btw another reason why I mentioned Newark Penn...Look at the Ny-Trenton( You technically have parts of Newark Broad St in the MAP but blocked off, they could've added that as shuttle runs for the M&E, MBL and Gladstone services in and out of Penn and Hoboken(out of portal). And I WISH they would've added parts of NCJL as far as only South Amboy(I know terminal is Long Branch and further Bay Head), but focus was more on NEC section. I said in and out of Hoboken come to realize if Newark Broad St was added those to and from Hoboken would be AI only since that wasn't in the NY-Trenton!
You are definitely right. The Boonton Line is the cut off heading towards East Orange on the right side bridge of the track. Gladstone would’ve been the best option for the shuttle for the Arrows after Summit in the game tbh plus MBL. Hoboken in the other hand is 3 lines (Main, Bergen and Pascack) with diesel engines and those connects to each other as well. It’s lot of stations and takes time to implement into the game tbh. Hella work to put into it imo
Can someone explain why switching between power types is prohibited in Hoboken? Okay, diesel will stink and generate additional smoke when starting. But why you can't switch to electric at the station?
Main/Bergen/Pascack would be its own dlc but they probably would do one line only possibly to Suffern idk, but, that's why I wouldn't mind if this Morristown line would've built tracks from Secaucus Lower Level to Hoboken only section as an added part, the difference is we jus only see alp45dps and the double deckers.
They run diesel into Hoboken cause some equipment turns have that ALP-45 set go up the Main/Bergen County lines upon arrival in Hoboken.the modes can't be changed under the train shed at Hoboken
But why? What's the worst thing that will happen if you turn off the diesel and raise the pantograph at the station?
To my understanding as an NJT employee. I spoke to an electrician about it that one time. He said the main reason is the substation. The substation got damaged so hard during that time when Sandy came around, the catenary wires from track 1 to 9 wasn’t fully restored since the generator wasn’t giving enough power till this day. To maintain the service and without disruption. They made the decision at the time going forward diesel would be the primary source leaving and arriving to Hoboken
The ALP45DP should have been in the route, not as a deluxe edition loco instead the NJT ALP44 should have been the deluxe edition loco and also can't they just get new cab cars for the route, maybe comet V/ comet IV/ comet II/ Comet III coaches/ cab car, not the multilevel coaches and cab car!
The Comet IV Cars with Centers doors & without the center doors plus the Comet V Cars and Cab Cars. NJT GP40PH-2 are still in service plus the PL42AC. Those could’ve been in the game. If they made a gameplay add on separately for the rest it would be nice to have in my opinion
I'm excited that they included another NJ Transit line in the game. I wished they added the Gladstone Branch since some services from Hoboken and New York Penn do go to Gladstone. Hopefully they can add the Gladstone Branch as a free Exstension when they do game updates
Out of all the lines I love the Gladstone Branch is very chill and relax line tbh. Full of trees and leaves moving around and such. I love the environment around the line.
I believe ALP-45DP should have held back for the North Jersey Coast Line route, but have what we have(
Well, if DTG would have made the North Jersey coastline route most likely would have ended at long branch. Bay Head is a bridge too far for TSW. With that said, the line from Long Branch is electrified so no purpose for the ALP45 really as no mode change would have been required except for the AI services going to Bay hay. Also, the number of services would only have been around 40 services each way which only the bay head services would have been dual mode. Plus, there wouldn't be a need for the Arrow on this line. IMO with Morristown you get the Hackettstown services from Dover, you get the Montclair services from broad street and Denville to Dover, you get the Gladstone services from Summit. and you get the full Dover to both Hoboken and NY Penn. You also get the experience switching from Diesel to electric at Dover and Electric to Diesel at Broad Street.
So where does the ALP45DP, if they change modes, change modes on the Morristown Line (besides Dover obviously) and on the Northeast Corridor?
The route is NY Penn / Hoboken to Dover. Why would they bother including Newark Penn? If they went to Newark Penn, the next person would say "why don't they go to Trenton?" Or you would get people saying "why are there services that only go between Newark and New York Penn?" Damned if they do, damned if they don't. As long as the route matches what they advertised, it suffices to me. I'm sure there will be a tree or building that isn't 100% accurate, oh well. To each their own.
Possibly, but we don't know their budget and constraints. If they made PL42AC DLC, people would ask why they didn't make a GP40PH-2 DLC. If they made a Comet V DLC, people would ask why they didn't make a DLC for Comet IIMs & Comet IVs.
The ALP-44 would be nice. But DTG hasn't made the AEM-7 or GG1 for the NEC routes. So I don't think out of service locomotives / rolling stock is part of their scope at this time.
I do feel like at least 1 of NJTs locos not currently in game will be saved for another route in the future. Will be easier for DTG to sell the route like that.
Exactly. The thing about this game and this genre (Train Simulators) is that they're a niche within a niche. Not all railfans play Train Sim Games. The fact we're even getting these in the first place is remarkable. I can't even begin to imagine how they managed to convince the powers that be to spend money and time to create this game / route. The people making this game have to get paid too. Plus it has to make sense / be profitable for the investors / powers that be who provided the budget to make this in the first place. Long story short, there's a lot more that goes into making these than only fandom of trains. It's a balance of finance / resources and train enthusiasm / accuracy. It'll almost never be 100% good on all sides. Even when it comes to railroading, enthusiasts themselves don't run them entirely (not all railroad employees are railfans). The same way sports team / leagues aren't controlled or influenced solely by fans.
