My Thoughts On Wcml Euston To Milton Keynes Central

Hi everyone, after a night we had to reflect on the stream, I have to say I am very happy with getting the WCML. Dovetail have listened to us and have given us a really immersive route with so much services for the 390,350,377, 710 and also Tube stock and the 66! The Route is going to be amazing, at first we were all like why is it only 50 miles? 350 is the main part of the WCML for this route for TSW 5.
Euston must be so complicated to signal I assume DTG Matt ?
But It is already on my Wishlist for the deluxe edition for £54!
The pictures look great of the 390 and 350. My most requested 2 trains and boom got them! I don't need to complain at all. Hopefully the route comes how it looks. I can't wait to drive trains in and out of Wembley Intercity Depot as well! Fun ECS runs.
I am really grateful that we have got an entire immersive route.
You start with 350 at Euston, you then take the train to MK and like a 30 min turnover time, take it back to Euston, then go and get a 390 to Milton Keynes! Then get another 390 as often they are frequent back to Euston or get a 350 to Euston! Than take a 350 to Tring or Bletchley!
If we think at the bigger picture the route is amazing and we have all been asking for that Immersion!
So thank you DTG Matt DTG JD DTG Alex And all those involved for bringing us this stunning route!

 

Matt, I don't think I will be sleeping for work anytime soon when it is released.... ahaha.
I am super excited and the pain of waiting till the 12th (I can't play till after 10PM as I finish work then) But I am super excited but the pain is gonna be worth it for sure!

 

I remember the TSC version (done by your 2nd party contractor Michael "GreatNortherner" Stephan) having performance issues at Euston initially. Very complex area indeed.

 

probably have got this spot by putting the more interesting part of WCMLS & leaving out the more boring part which is after Milton Keynes.

But with the br class 710 layered into the route you almost got 2 routes in one WCMLS & The Watford Direct line London Euston - Watford Junction either its looking a HELL of a lot better than the train Simulator version lets hope its not to bugged like the Train Simulator version we will see come September 17th 2024

 

I answered the question in the poll with yes, as I am looking forward to the WCML over Shap with the 87. The section of WCML you are talking about I honestly am not particularly excited about as really it is just another electric commuter route, which I have no interest in. I think its saving grace, and what will make me play it now and again, will be the busy timetable.

 

He didn't do Euston (that was someone else - Rob Payne did that, but Michael did the track north of Wolverton so I'm told though)

 

He's credited in the manual as track builder solely, not my fault Danny

 

That's fair of course, i mean for a lot of the stuff that i did for DTG i rarely have a credit (I also did stuff on that route too, although generally those that work for DTG aren't in manuals (I think i should write a list of the stuff I've done before i forget it - I mean Chatham Main Line - I did a lot in my own time for that route - all versions)

 

Like my boss used to say, salary's credit enough.

 

Hyped like dj Hype! One of my favourites on tsc. Really busy heading out of London. On payday I'll be pre ordering deluxe.

 

When I play certain routes and the layers enhance the immersion. You are always in my thoughts packed with appreciation.

 

Are the layered Bakerloo services drivable?

 

The Route should be 113 Miles and Not This Short One for the Class 390
30 Minute run is Boring

 

Hey, kind of unrelated, Will there be any limitations for the timetable on last gen consoles?

 

Too short a route, terminating in Birmingham would have been great. I am really excited with the Northern end Preston to Morecambe and to Carlisle. Another absolutely wonderful route from Just Trains. We know that Tom Harrison and the team at JTs are producing another stunning route.

 

Can we run Bakerloo services without buying the Bakerloo DLC?

 

Hey Matt, another question (sorry), do you know if the 377s run all the way to MKC as per Southern's old timetable or is it only to Watford? And have these versions of the 377 been given an upgrade to TSW5 standards with the suspension, etc? Thanks

 

Hi Matt,

Are there any plans to layer the WCML traffic back onto Bakerloo? Including the Overground?

thanks

 

This route and certainly driving 390 is going to be awesome. Only concern is if Euston is going to have life or not! Its needs to have Lots if passengers & trains and not look half dead. If you think about Manchester Piccadilly and even Birmingham new Street stations in other routes, they are way too empty

 

For Xbox series s, I think you should do a full and reduced timetable, similar to what you did in NYT and ecml

 

Will there be any subclass differences with the 377/2 or will it be the same as the 377/4 just with the pantograph?

Also, with the 350/1 being included (and only 30 being built in that subclass) will we have a similar arrangement the BML where the 377/4 was renumbered into the 377/1 range without any modifications to cater for a large timetable?

 

Wcml will be exactly what a route should look like, plenty of stock and as busy as a bee hive.

 

Funny enough I think I'm looking forward to the 710 services as much as anything else which might seem perverse. It's because of all the regular stops, so many of them, but unlike Suffragette I'll be able to see lots of other traffic passing me, so doing a bit of spotting from the cab! I prefer the 710 to the 350 and 377 as I'm not really a fan of trains that have a front door in their nose, but I must admit the 390 is something else.

 

Personally I’m a little cautious with regards to performance capabilities for the Series S, given how busy Euston is / has the potential to be. I know that I could ultimately choose to run the reduced timetable but for me that would really take away a lot of the immersion and enjoyment.

Think I might have to start looking into getting a Series X

 

I just think giving players the option would be the best choice

 

I can Guarantee it is gonna to be it's full potential, 350,390s,710s and 377s. Its gonna be packed mate! Only missing 221 Voyagers which wont be a biggie tbh.

 

Yes! It will be! It is gonna be stunning

 

This is what I am gonna love Matt with this! It is going to be stunning.

 

wait so as part of this new wcml route, we get the traction from bakerloo without actually having to own bakerloo itself?

honestly if that's the case this new tsw5 announcement just keeps getting better and better, really good work from everyone so far i'm loving what's about to come!

and as a side note i desperately need to know more about the Cardiff network asap!

 

I want it noooow.

 

I think this route is going to be awesome. I have always loved the above ground section of Bakerloo from Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone, and that was just with the 72 stock and some random traffic on WCML (no 710, Pendolino or 350).

Now this route will include all of that WITH the proper traffic AND the entire Overground line, AND WCML out to Milton Keynes and the fully modeled London Euston terminus.

The Overground line is actually what excites me the most, since I love Goblin/the 710 and as previously mentioned loved running the 72 stock on the stretch we did have before. And that is almost like a route in and of itself, since you aren't running on the WCML proper. DTG also does a great job with TfL stations/assets/signs/logos. We've seen that with the Goblin as well as the TfL stations that are already on Bakerloo, so I expect that will continue for the other stations on this route.

This is the first TSW release I can think of where it was the British route that excited me the most.

I know there is always complaining about the length of the route and crying that it should go all the way to XYZ or whatever but considering what we know the typical scope of TSW routes are I think this is a great choice. I think it will be the first British route that will rival some of the German routes when it comes to variety/traffic/feeling alive. Between the 350, 72 Stock, 710, 377, 390, and the 66/freight services (plus whatever the timetable wizards sneak in there) there will be a lot to do. If you ONLY care about the 390 then maybe the length is a letdown but considering the entire route and all the other traffic I think this section is fine.

It will be nice if some day there is a route to stretch the legs of the 390 a bit more... but we saw with ECML that the longer/faster parts of the route aren't always the most interesting, can't please everyone all the time. This should please a lot of people though since it has an entire end to end route in it (Overground) and also has a terminus station for the WCML (I know the "nowhere to nowhere" routes aren't everyone's favourite).

I watched this last night (while playing Goblin on my other screen) and I am all in on the Watford/Lioness line:

 

Good route, loads of variety. I’m just hoping that this is the start of something special as now we can have the entire WCML in 3 routes haha

 

Not denying this route will be busy, but I reckon BPO has already done this. Just stand at Preston for 10 minutes!

 

Really hope these trains will layer into the likes of Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow Central etc. in case of the Avanti.

so far sounding very positive though

 

I am certain it will layer into Glasgow cause of the new timetable it had a placeholder thing and I had a feeling Avanti West Coast was gonna come to the game when we were seeing screenshots of the Remaster of CCL and their was Avanti West Coast name on the departure boards. I have been told it won't layer onto BCC, Manchester yet which is a shame

 

YES. I am also wondering/hoping for the same.

In the past it is a bit of a hit and miss. The default DTG position is usually not to go back and add new stock to older routes even if it fits that route... but on a case by case basis (basically any route Joe wants to work his magic on) they do (think SEHS).

Glasgow was re-done recently (well after they must have known the 390 is coming) so I wouldn't be surprised if the groundwork for that one is there already.

 

Birmingham new street especially would benefit from both the new WCML trains, making it that bit more realistic

 

I know from travelling in and out of Euston in the early 80's how complex things are and these days you haven't got the Rathole or Down Carriage Shed to contend with. Though not as complex as the old layout if the SIAM game based in 1958 is anything to go by.

I've mentioned in other threads but can you share Matt if we are seeing some bugfixes and enhancements to go with the save game? With routes like this it really hurts to lose the objective data when you load a save on a subsequent service. And of course the thorny issue of needing more than one save slot. With all the new content, by the end of the year if I bring everything across from TSW4 too, that's going to be over 70 routes to play. At a minimum we need (say) five save slots so we can jump around rather than being forced back in to finish the run we were already on.

 

Will it also include the ,very, short branch to St. Albans Abbey?

 

It would be more better if WCML was set when the 377/2s were still going to Milton Keynes like 2021 for example

 

In the case of the Bakerloo line... I wondering how good and immersiv the new "route hopping" thingy is going to be. Take A Bakerloo line with all the new AI and change over at Queens Park to go on to Elephant & Castle.

 

DTG Matt I would assume there are railtours on the route, any plans for JT's upcoming 87 to work with them?

 

Of course, at one time the Bakerloo went as far as Watford Junction. I might have to do a run in 1972 stock from Queens Park to Watford Junction (assuming it will run on 3rd rail otherwise it’s Off The Rails in Scenario Planner).

 

DTG Matt
Hi Matt again! Great interacting with you on the forums today
Now question, this image was put out during the CCL Remaster, before it was out obvs. Was this a Hint as I kind of had a feeling Avanti were to come as IRL a AWC train comes into Glasgow Central shown by the screenshot. Was it a intentional/unintentional little hint