One thing I can't get out of my head right now is that it certainly won't be the only expert package. In advance (No official information or leaks it's just my own ideas) In my view, this hub refers first to German locomotives, so I have no idea about us/uk vehicles. There are many negative voices. There are many positive voices, which is also completely understandable. On the one hand, it is interesting, on the one hand it is also extremely complex and extremely expensive. But what if we possibly get the following expert versions in the near future? -Taurus Loks (es64u/DB BR182/öbb1115/116) -DB dosto/767/766/765? 2-3 Generation) -Traxx Expert version/146/146.2/185/186/187 etc. -DB BR 155 DR250 -DB BR 143/112/114 -ICE 1/2/3/4/T -Talent (1442/442) -s-Bahn/422/423 etc What would the community think of it and what do you think the prices would look like?
Sure im on board!, but instead of a "0815" next loco project i would prefere a multi system / dual mode locomotive as next Expert Line Project. For example the stadler EuroDual. Also an entire formation like with the 101 is welcome (for example the Railjet).
I'm sure it depends on what people actually do, as opposed to what they say. If enough buy it to make the effort worthwhile, there will be more.
Maybe there is also a market for a halfway house… locos which offer a bit more complexity but at a consumer friendly price. If there is to be another Expert level loco then why not something we don’t already have in game, or maybe a diesel. Of course DTG are missing out on the main area they could have pulled off a market for expert level content - steam locos!
If Reppo develops his own locomotives away from the HIS projects for TSW, I can see him develop some "Pro" level US locomotives. Though Pricing wise I see about $25-$30 (If he increases prices due to longer workflow.) Only issue is that his TSC works don't really fit into any era that any of DTG's routes are currently set in.
I would have liked to have seen an “expert” steam loco, if only to have one in the game that works with a semblance of realism. I guess that’s off the table now, but an expert BR class 55 Deltic locomotive would be right up my street. Oh wait, no more BR retro, so that’s also off the table. Expert modern EMU it is then.
I wouldn't expect any expert-style UK or US locomotives in the foreseeable future. I don't even see any " standard " locos on the road map. Of course they could try making an " expert " emu. What could they add though? Suggestions for what the driver might do with a second handle? Flush the toilets? Wash the windshield? Work a slot machine?
£30 for an expert level Deltic. Now there’s a quandary. Of course if it came with a full set of new Mark Two coffins (plus catering vehicle!) then I might be tempted. But then it would be all new and not something we already have in the game.
I am all for expert DLCs, and it seems like now that we have actually seen the product, the £30 price is warranted. I am concerned about the economics of expert DLCs, though. Certainly, licencing will play an enormous role with how detailed a train can be (I think TfL blocked something as simple as the cab door for the 72 stock in TSW2). Will the development time for expert DLCs be worth it? We can't really rule out the fact that we may never see another expert loco again...
Is it? Not sure everyone would agree. I watched the first 20 minutes of the stream before I realised it was not the product for me. Although the attention to detail was impressive, I do not see how the work involved would equate to that of a route + new non-expert train. So I’m still stumped as to why €36 or £30 is the asking price. It’s academic for me anyway, it’s just not my cup of tea as I prefer a more relaxed experience.
It would be interesting to see how much a loco by itself would clock in at, as we’ve seen in defence of the previously released BR101, the cab car itself is a ‘whole new loco’. Maybe the cabcar is worth £10 and the 101 £20. Or £15 each? Who knows. That’s really my problem with pricing in TSW, can’t tell if you get overcharged on the bad stuff or they undercharge on the good stuff. I did really like the sounds on the new 101, and honestly the signaller call with Lukas got a laugh out of me. I think someone else said it better though, there’s not really anywhere in TSW you actually get your monies worth out of this, especially for timetable modes. Getting into Koln would have been a good idea & tabling some in & out of service runs from the IC depot.
Well yes, that would seem better personal useage value all round than the DB 101 and not least because it would add traction and rolling stock not currently in the game. £30 would still be a bit winceworthy but as said, all subjective at the end of the day.
Ah, sorry Fred, mst be the heat. Usually it's my Mrs who doesn't get my sense of humour. Just accuses me of sarcasm (or stupidity!).
I rather have regular versions of loco add-ons. I don't want all the advanced stuff and not looking forward paying more for that stuff I'm not using. Also I fear a split in substitutions. Is the regular BR101 still gonna be available for future substitution and layering, or does one need the expert BR101 from now on?
Good point. I would much rather TSG had devoted resources to making a BR141 or BR151 along with some UIC coaching stock to “standard” level for something new in the game, rather than an upmarket version of a loco which already has a pretty good representation. I would actually pay £20 for a nice 141 along with the aforementioned rolling stock without batting an eyelid. Likewise a Deltic or Class 50 with Mark Two aircon stock for the UK. In fact, here’s £23 for the latter.
As said already, the 101 Expert is done by people that have nothing to do with the general TSG production situation. There are still project ongoing for standard vehicles, like the 232 or the 420. The 101 Expert does not interfere with those at all. Eh, nope
I managed to get my hands on a pdf version of an RSSB rulebook somehow and there was a section there pertaining to AWS faults etc so definitely can be incorporated in game. I only play UK routes as don't really understand nor have an interest in German routes etc as they have steeper learning curves I feel even if I am still learning the UK signalling system particularly the semaphore signals etc and ground signals.
Well AWS faults on a UK traction unit boil down to a few simple outcomes… Wrong side failure - set out of traffic at the next available location and ECS to the depot for technical examination. Right side failure - report to signaller and maintenance control, entry in repair book, work back to depot by end of day for repairs. Unable to cancel - isolate, forward at reduced speed and out of traffic. Couple the dead cab inside on another traction unit or turn so the “good” cab leading for return to depot.
I rather think resources, (whether that be time, budget, simugraph expertise, beta testing, research), would be better used to sort out steam’s issues first before embarking on further expert mode stuff.
I really hope that Expert DLC will be kept being supported with routes. The 101 is a good example of DLC that can be supported with a lot routes. There are still routes where the old 101 runs but the new one doesn't that still can be updated. Investing more money in DLC like with Expert will make you want to drive it on more than one route. So in my opinion Expert DLC should take in account on how many routes it can be driven on at launch and near future.
And vice versa. I hope the old 'basic' BR101 will still be usable on future routes, instead of being exclusively for the expert BR101.
I absolutely wish every loco was as in depth as this. With the expert 101 its one of the few trains where, imo, you really have the feeling that you are operating some heavy machinery. If I could have one train to choose for the next expert version by TSG: The often forgotten BR120. It‘d be perfectly compatible with our newly released IC expert coaches and the cab car. It could be released together with these ones. Or the coaches could be painted in the Interregio colors together with the 120 in Orient red to be fitting for the Linke Rheinstrecke, which definitely needs more variety in traffic. Maybe it‘ll happen.
DTG is a commercial company and as long as the business model can generate monetary value, it will continue to maximize its business value.
this DLC is selling fairly well and the feedback has thus far been very positive... the developers/ppl associated with the project are very responsive, and patient - many things that have been labelled as bugs at first were revealed to be things that just differed from usual simulation in other DLCs... but those identified as actual bugs are being looked on very promptly those guys clearly love their product ... and the more I drive it, the more I do too
another point that popped into my mind as I was playing Kassel, y know, a lot of time on my hands and no Storungen ... I think that if we are to have more expert locos, and if they would be from each nation, it should be a loco or MU that is either: 1) present in a lot of layers - lots of opportunities to learn it and use it, also bringing fresh perspective cos having expert handling and everything totally changes almost everything, from vigilance to stopping patterns 2) one that is very or the most important / ubiquitous IRL - like Taurus for Austria, for Germany we already have BR 101, but maybe we could also have BR 146.2 with FUNCTIONING LZB, or BR 442, for UK Class 66 for freight, maybe 377 for passenger... and as for US, we basically cant have expert loco because: a) licensing & PTC b) almost all railroads being downward paranoid one thing that many many many ppl suggested, and that wouldnt be an expert loco, but an expert feature - the fabled Ebula... with all those cryptic symbols that we would have to learn... its own tiny manual... and ability to turn it on and off in the menu as "expert core feature" see? such brilliant ideas from a mind addled by sleepless night spent gaming
I don't think the US "needs" a full on expert loco with full on safety setting to suffice. Alot of the good "Pro Range" works on TSC work just fine and are quite popular. Hell even Searchlight Simulations, one of the best creators for TSC, doesn't even include working PTC for their Canadian Pacific locos (The AC4400CW and SD70ACU) but yet are still highly popular. Of course, SS has better access to US equipment than DTG so they can model such things, and really Reppo is the only one who could make a "Expert" level locomotive for the US for TSW. (But he seems to be part of the HIS TSW crew for the time being).
My suggestion for EXPERT mode is locomotive BR 187. In my opinion, this locomotive is the worst locomotive issued for TSW. It looks very good in appearance, but otherwise everything is wrong (I regret buying it). For me, an expert mod would put this locomotive back on the tracks.
it doesnt have to have almost everything on point like the 101 has atm... just... I dont know, sth that would enforce the speed limits and such like ATC/ACSES does on NEC/Amtrak routes... at the very least
Without breaking the timetables too much, if Reppo remade his AEM-7 in Phase V for TSW, it would work, but it would probably need a new timetable set around 2014, as thats around the only time period that the AEM-7 ran with ACS-64's.
