Nürnberg - Ingolstadt (and Feucht) Discussion Threa

A third route from TSG! I am a bit dissapointed with the length considering it is a high speed line and the reuse of existing stock (aside from coaches that are more or less identical to other coaches). The ‘tweaks’ to the ICE 3 sound very minimal. I would have hoped it was getting completely reworked considering it is nowhere near TSW6 standards. Sounds are especially annoying.

 

It is nice to see some editor projects become official, hopefully we get more third parties so we get more of a variety of German content

I hope it being released by TSG doesn't mean less historic content from them though, DTG already make a lot of high speed lines

 

Really wanted to see a brand-new ICE unit considering it's just the second dedicated German high-speed line coming to TSW!

Pictures taken by me

ICE 4


ICE 3neo

 

Is it a long route?

 

This is a completely new route to me. I know nothing about this other than it’s a high speed route. This won’t be another Kassel - Wurzburg will it ??. TSG are in charge here so no doubt it will turn out amazing. I just hope it isn’t lots of tunnels throughout the whole route….

 

In TSC, we already have excellent route coverage around Ingolstadt, including all the modern rolling stock such as the ICE 4, Mireo, BR 440, and others. As someone who runs TSC on the side, this route will be a pass for me. However, even if you only play TSW, I can still understand the disappointment.
Once again, the 2010 theme continues. I wonder how they will handle AI traffic in Nürnberg and Ingolstadt...even if it´s a 2010 setting, it will be missing the BR 440 in both stations big time.

 

You can see an earlier version here, it looks like it has less tunnels although I'm not familiar with the area so not sure

 

Ingolstadt to Nürnberg thank you TSG! We love you!
And perhaps an extension to Munich! This is my dream since 4 years playing TSW!!
If you need community help, just say! I live in Munich and would help everytime!!

 

It will be exactly that, but shorter and without calling at Fulda in the middle.

 

I thought this was their fourth route? Or does it simply mean it is releasing before Neckartalbahn?
Either way, disappointing rolling stock in my opinion.

 

Well, it’s really more Kassel–Fulda than Kassel–Würzburg without Fulda. It’s only 30 minutes with the ICE and just two stops with the München–Nürnberg Express. Not exactly thrilling. And once again, no new rolling stock. As rightly mentioned, no new ICE either just an ICE 3, which is already hopelessly old and doesn’t really fit the current TSW standards anymore.

 

If we got an extension to Munich, it would be the Hammer!

 

Without being rude I apologise but whats the point in this route.by the sounds of it it seems rather short and over before you get going.

 

Ah great…. Lol. Won’t be going out my way to get this route but maybe when it’s on a sale I guess. I’ll see if there’s any cab ride videos first…

 

Yes… Man I’m sick of that train now haha !!. We need the ICE 4.

 

Glad your dream came true. It’s always nice to see this on the forums.

 

While I'll be getting it to support TSG and for new coaches and an updated ICE3, I'm not that excited about this route.
My sole reason being I prefer historic routes more. Neckartalbahn, don't care what you'll be quoting for it. BR145, BR420, BR232 (whenever if at all), quote what you want for it, I'll get it and sink 100 hours of playtime into each of those respectively.
This new SFS with essentially just two new coaches, I'll be watching the pricing carefully and decide when to get it.

 

To drive trains from one place to another. Pretty much the point of every other route in TSW. You can operate the trains and look at the scenery. You may enjoy it. I think that’s the point.

 

Yeah the biggest problem is the cab....
The dimensions of the driver’s desk of the 403 are incorrect. It should be the same as in the ICE‑T. The 403 was simply copied from TSC, and the dimensions there were also wrong.

 

The route is extremely short. And its fast pacing with less stops. Only a stop in Allersberg and Kindng for the München Nürnberg Express. ICE is 30min driving without anything more than pedal to the metal and watching to a less exiting landscape.

 

I mean I respect the time used by the creator(s) on this and have always been a hug fan of TSG's Amazing work with a big A, but first glance it does feel like a poor man's Kassel-Wurzburg, with half the size. I just don't see the appeal currently.

 

It just seems like an odd choice of route from TSG compared to their previous work they’ve put out for TSW.

 

tho we arent getting the full Munchen - Nurnberg thing, I am still happy to get this route... hopefully more rolling stock in future... I was kinda hoping we would get BR 102 + special dostos, even though in long term it was a big failure for Skoda (and I believe along with Emil Zatopek locos one of reasons why they no longer seem interested in developing locos, only EMU/DMUs and trams), it was still a great looking train and cool rarity, if it could be called that

 

I'm happy with this route, maybe an extension to Munich with the ICE4 or NEO will arrive soon. Thanks.

 

The route is around 90 km long with 11 stations... I dont think you can call that short.
I find it rather out of place to judge the route for what it is. One of the most important highspeed sections in germany and people dislike it for being highspeed?
It is very interesting to see some here argue against the concept, but begged the developer 2 years ago for it to be made an official dlc.
Do not forget, this route was first intended to be freeware, meaning it never followed the usual dlc structure.
"Less exiting landscape" is just the cherry on the top.

 

Yeah, I see a lot of flak for this which is kind of unwarranted. I mean, what else do we even have that is a SFS currently, yes, Kassel-Wurzburg? And technically half of Koln-Aachen, although that looks nothing like here.
This completely ignoring that perhaps people based in Nurnberg or Ingolstadt or who take/have taken this route want to see it in, it IS a major route afterall, a link that needed to be in at some point or another.
It seems to me like 90% of the German routes we have, look nothing like this Kassel-Wurzburg that you all keep begging to avoid imitating.

I for one like the idea and the variation on the regular-IC 101 gameplay is nice, too. Intrigued by this apparently new in-place-upgrade capability of the Expert stock, as well.

 

While I agree that the dimensions are wrong, I'll have to disagree with the second point. The 403's cover on top of the displays has a entirely different shape compared to that of the 411/415. The way the desk is mounted is different on the 403 too. Buttons, switches and levers are similar enough, so are the displays themselves. However, the state of the 411's cab in-game still has the old BL2 DMIs with softkeys rather than touch, while most have DEUTA DAT 2080 BL3 DMIs nowadays (similar to the 403; I think the DMI is one of the main issues with the desk in TSW, makes the whole thing look even more off than it already is).

That's not true. The entire model is different, a quick look at the topology already reveals that. You might be confusing this with the 406 they included with the Strasbourg-Karlsruhe route, which they used a modified version of the TSW cab for.

 

You have to laugh sometimes at how TSC can get new modern payware trains like the Mireo BR463 (and will most likely have the class 333 fully functional) etc, yet we struggle to get these modern units into TSW because of "licensing" and continue to see rehashed rolling stock....

 

I have to say, this really just gives more fuel to my thought that TSG's steam route was announced way too early. With how long they take to do stuff I can't imagine that making it out before TSW7 when they have all these other projects going on.

Sherman Hill's one of the most important routes in the US system...

...And frankly it's one of the most singularly boring pieces of trackage man has ever laid, even if it is important. A route being important is irrelevant, we've gotten some terrible routes from "playing the crowd", and some amazing routes are ones that would've never won a popularity contest before appearing in the game.

That's because the "TSW community" isn't a hivemind, others might've pushed for it to be a legit DLC. Meanwhile I've not heard of it till now, and frankly yeah, I'm going to judge it the same way I would if DTG choose to do something like this. Cute that it got turned from a community project into a actual one, but in the same way I didn't buy the London Overground, I probably won't buy this either.

 

they should have extended it to munich tbh bc then we could play the S2 which is still used today by br420s and since that EMU is also a TSG product they could have used it to make it even more popular a quite missed opportunity there tbh

 

To be fair, Sherman Hill is my go to route for US freight, mainly because it’s one of the few routes you aren’t crawling. I think it’s important that sort of variation of gameplay exists, so that DLC after DLC doesn’t feel the same as the last.

In any case, this new route seems to replicate what 2 extremely popular routes (LGV & KWG) have done, so I don’t think it’s a surprise that sort of gameplay continues to be a template for DLC’s.

The only real weakness I see here, is the rolling stock, but then again I’ve personally always been more of a fan of IC runs than ICE.

 

Kinda excited for this! More expert stuff is always a big plus for me!

 

Have to say I was a bit disappointed reading this was the next TSG route. Was hoping for a diesel secondary main line like Eifelbahn or Obereruhrtalbahn.

 

well, its rather a route under the TSG brand instead of a TSG route (although by the looks of it ofc to the same high quality standard.) Seems like they teamed up with pilot21 from this originally community project to bring it properly into TSW
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...nürnberg-ingolstadt.77540/page-3#post-1099381

Also it is kinda different to Kassel Würzburg, you have proper 300 kmh high speed running, but regional services with the 101 as well, so with the Münüx itll be a multiple stops run. Also the Nuremberg S Bahn Lines as far as Feucht are included, so you can play S2 for like 20 mins too. and 90 odd km in lenght doesnt sound too bad either. And it has been quite some time since Kassel as the last high speed line.

 

that counts on the 420 ever coming out which is looking highly unlikely

 

Yes the 420 has joined Tadami line and the Class 104 down one of those strange corridors where the end gets further away the faster you walk towards it!

 

also, we will finally have the chance for ICE 3 to fully stretch its legs and fly at 300 kph, I mean, damn

 

Judging by the fact that currently there are no german DTG routes on the roadmap, this route comes in very handy.

I love the fact they include a normal version of the cab car as well as - for the first time - a first class Großraumwagen. And an updated ICE 3 is also very welcome. Hope it also has some new sounds.

Is there any freight going on that route? Like in the night maybe? I'd love to drive the 145 there as well.

 

No freight, except on the section before you join the high speed line (and this would be AI or very short runs)

 

It’s a shame this isn’t going to Munich really especially given the Munich station is already in game albeit extremely dated and I understand memory heavy. But I’m sure it will still be up to TSGs usual standards

 

going to munic would like double the lenght

 

No freight but some EVUs use the NIM for "Lz-Fahrten". It doesn't happen often but would be cool if 1-2 of these are also present in the timetable:

 

Nice to see a community project finally being released! It will probably be of great quality, but I am a bit skeptical about how enjoyable the route itself will be, though. The ICE services might end up being a bit short and uneventful, but I think the RE services with the BR101 could be quite fun. I really enjoy driving that locomotive (especially the expert version) and this route seems like a good place to get some more interesting LZB running. Having three intermediate stops within roughly 45 minutes should make it more engaging compared to something like the long Kassel - Fulda - Würzburg stretch, which can feel a bit monotonous under continuous LZB.

High speed routes just tend to be a bit tricky regarding gameplay. No matter how high the quality might be. I still believe Köln - Frankfurt is the perfect balance with interesting views, busy main stations, and also 3-4 intermediate stops with an ICE, but I understand if we'll never see it because it would also be a monstrosity...

That said, I do hope the price reflects the "relatively short" length of the route (compared to other high speed routes) and the fact that it reuses existing rolling stock (even if it does come with a fresh coat of red paint and some improvements). Please don't ask the premium €40 price. That would require new stock.

 

Don´t say that. Matt has stated on the forums in the past, that they are considering it. By the way, I fully agree... I think it would be the perfect highspeed line, that would not be boring.

 

i could see potential for maybe 1 day a br102 dlc for the route with a new timetable when we get ice 2 and 4 in tsw 1 day and then be able to drive 401 402 403 407 411 412 101 and 102 for re1 on the route

 

It will be difficult to obtain information about the 102 they already nearly done on the German tracks so i think they will never come in the game

 

too bad cos even tho it was a failure long term, it was still a neatly looking loco / train... unfortunately (fortunately for potential ridership) DB has sky-high safety and other standards that Skoda was never able to meet... with good management and some work to do it could have been a really great train, but... well

 

If it is as good as Niedertalbahn or Mittenwaldbahn, then will be day one purchase for me. I believe Lukas is not behind this one and he is behind Neckartalbahn, clearly his style. But if Maik has this one under TSG as well, then I expect prime quality.

 

It’s certainly very good to see another community project coming to life. I’m usually not a fan of high-speed only routes, but there are some redeeming factors that make this one a bit interesting for me:

• FINALLY a way to get the IC cab car without getting the expert 101 DLC. I’ve been asking for this for years, and the expert 101 has never been discounted by more than 20-30% on PlayStation, so the cab car was completely out of reach for the normal player base. Hopefully, both the München-Nürnberg-Express and IC liveries are included so the rolling stock can be used in layers on other routes in the future.
• The S-Bahn stretch is quite cool. It’s not too short and goes along the Zeppelinfeld, which hosts big motor races, concerts and of course regular football games in the Frankenstadion. The S-Bahn station there even has extra platforms for such occasions. Huge scenario potential!

Overall, these unique things might *just* make this interesting enough to consider when it is discounted. I really hope they don’t make the launch price too expensive though. 35€ would be too much imo considering there’s no completely new rolling stock, and the high-speed section is relatively short if you look at the ICE service length.

 

Dominik from Vector Sim already made it in premium quality for TSC before, so he likely has all that's needed