So, with yesterdays roadmap there is a new German route on the way. I haven't seen any other thread about it, so here we go. What do you think it is going to be? I personally think it's one of the routes we have already seen previews about in the PC Editor subforum
Hopefully not just another electric commuter route. Personally I would like to see a secondary diesel main line such as Obereruhrtalbahn. Or something around Garmisch or Kempten way. If steam traction wasn’t out in the cold, I’d even have taken a punt on Brocken Mountain.
In a dream world it would be Ulm-Lindau via Kempten and with the Obersdtorf branch with 218s, Ulm 215s with tb10s and V100s but that is unfortunately never going to happen because of length and various other reasons
There is always the big difference between wishes and possibilities. Maybe we're gonna get a big banger such as another highspeed line, Cologne Main Station to Frankfurt Airport perhaps? Or a commuter, but more interesting, and unique? Like S-Bahn Berlin perhaps...
I would expect something that offers a good layer for 218. So I would say some single or mixed double track diesel with 642 and 628 by default, and with 218 as a layer. Perhaps something set to earlier period as well, back around 2000ish?
I genuinely have no idea what it could be. I expect something that's in TSC already since those popular routes seem to be remade over lately a lot. I do wonder if the route is the one that was removed with no comment a couple months back. or if it's a completely new one. nevertheless I always like to expand my german collection. and with the recent DTG releases I expect it to be something good. as it's unknown what release date it will have it makes me think it is the pulled one or maybe the new destination for the 420. hope to see even just a sneak peek for it the coming months.
Oh, I like that. According to wiki, 420 was used also in Stuttgart, Frankfurt and Köln. As we already have the third, does any of the former options offer a good diesel opportunity?
To be honest I highly doubt Cologne to Frankfurt Airport would come. Or if it would, it might be the first route I'd have a pass on. Its basically only ICE's from A to B with nothing inbetween :P S-Bahn Berlin on the other hand sounds fairly interesting though. Seems reasonable/logical. I myself love early 2000's routes as thats when I was a kid and was starting to get into trains. I also enjoyed the era of LFR quite a lot but it just absolutely lacks the variety in rolling stock. I just love the times when quite a few of the modern stuff from today was already in use but it was mixed in with "old" stuff and not full of new EMU's. In a - to me - perfect world we'd get something like a 151, a 140/141 and a 120 and have future routes with them. That'd make for so much variety and it'd also potentially spice up LFR. But I'm going waaay off topic now. Bottom line: Something mid 2000's which is not a straight A to B route and offers a nice variety of stuff to do from freight to commuters and long distance trains (especially with IC/EC/ICE services, which is why I love Salzburg-Rosenheim as you got some stops along the way!). Oh, and I'd love to have a route where you can drive the BR425 from A to B and back to A again, as I've got some first hand IRL experience with that thing :P
Koln to Dusseldorf or something around Dusseldorf possibly. I remember catching a 420 to the airport but that was long ago, something like 1983.
Not sure what it could be but I’d like to revisit the Mitteldeutschland area and make use of Leipzig in the future. Or maybe another route in Rheinland, maybe around Düsseldorf?
Funny thing is that I actually changed my opinion on that over time. Yes, maybe the Ringbahn could be fun, but it doesn't really hit all the interesting spots, plus it's mostly S-Bahn only. But since I tried the DLC for TSC I am now rather going for wanting the Stadtbahn (I believe it somewhat goes from Ostkreuz to Westkreuz, crossing the main station aswell), which certainly has more interesting stops aswell as Regio and long distance traffic side by side
yeah that was Folezz' route, Cologne-Düsseldorf/Opladen. Am really excited if it ever makes it so far to release for TSW. The ICE 3 Velaro D and Desiro HC are gonna be awesome lol (he said somewhere on his website that those may be included. but we never know actually)
may I be funny and say that this makes quite no sense - KWG only has one stop inbetween Würzburg Main Station and Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe, which is Fulda. the sections inbetween are both over 80km long, THAT's boring. on Cologne-Rhine/Main the longest section you have is just 60km long, and there are way more inbetween stops on roughly the same length. Montabaur, Limburg Süd, Köln-Messe Deutz, more and else...
Okay, here's one out of left field: Ammergaubahn. Murnau-Oberammergau, 24 km, all slow. Not even Niddertal slow, I mean West Somerset slow . Today they use 426s which are basically 2-car 425s. (Used to use 141s, before that 169s). Of course, I would prefer it done the way it was before DB ruined it ca. 2007, including those awesome Jugendstil catenary poles from 1905.
Those stations have no transport or commercial reason to exist. DB was forced to build them because BT members refused to back funding for the SFS unless stations were put in their constituencies. Limburg Süd in particular stands out- the only Bahnhof in Germany served exclusively by ICE, in a town with a population of a whopping 36,000. It's almost.... American.
atleast that's what makes Limburg Süd special then :P (+ it has a bridge so you can view the ICEs howl by on the center tracks from the top )
My hopes still are up for Hamburg to Itzehoe with Flirt 3 and Br 474 (i think i dont need to explain why) I heard in some threads that some people dont want a commuter and i would also like more variation, but as long as the S Hamburg is a commuter i will wish for this category.
I would bet on "Dieselnetz Sachsen-Anhalt" from Nexuscraft. Block 1 should be released at 15.09.24. You can read more about this route unter a thread with this name in this forum.
An area which could fit your expectations well would be my home region, the Allgäu. During the early 2000's, we had pretty much exactly this: On the Allgäubahn (from München/Augsburg to Lindau via Kempten) there were mostly 218 with n-Wagen, as well as 612 and the ALEX trains using 223 locos with refurbished express train cars. Same situation on the branch from Immenstadt to Oberstdorf. The line from München/Augsburg towards Füssen was firmly in the hands of the 218 with n-Wagen (from München) and 628 (from Augsburg). Later (around 2010) it morphed into 218 with Dostos and 642. On the Kempten - Memmingen - Ulm route, the 218 was the main workhorse as well at that time, supported by 642 for regional train services. The highly interesting, curvy, steep and beautiful little route from Kempten to Pfronten (and on to Reutte in Austria) was a mainstay for the 628 at first, albeit their prototype version which is not in the game. The 628.2 had proven too weak for this route. After the 628.0 had been retired around 2004, the services on this route were handed to the 642 as well. Although I doubt that any of those will make it into the game. With Salzburg-Rosenheim and Vorarlberg both being very recent releases, I don't think we'll see another route taking place in the Germany/Austria border region any time soon. If I had to speculate, I'd say either something in the far north (Marschbahn, Vogelfluglinie or somewhere around Kiel), or perhaps in the Limburg or Westerwald region. Wouldn't say no to either, any chance to plant my behind into the driver's seat of a 218 is most welcome
amityblight#4241 's guess sounds so nice since I love (and play a lot) the 628, guess this will easy be catched up with the new 218 ... My guess? It's as always the dream of and wish for "anything Frankfurt/Rhein-Main", maybe with Offenbach to Hanau ... hey, dream ok? ;-)
oh, okay… Imma be honest, I‘ve travelled that route a handful of times and every time the ICE stopped at Frankfurt Flughafen and thereafter only really at Köln iirc. And Kassel-Wurzburg is pretty boring to me too. but hey, everyone has his taste, right? :P i do occasionally enjoy taking the high speed trains up to 200kph or more. i‘d also genuinely enjoy something like the Frankfurter U Bahn from TSC, or pilot21‘s Frankfurt S Bahn project. Oh and I‘d kill for a Karlsruhe-Mannheim-Frankfurt route like in TSC. Maybe include the section Karlsruhe to Heidelberg as well :P But thats extremely wishful thinking on my part.
well maybe DB was just so smart to select services for you that get to Cologne faster than the ones that also stop at the stations inbetween
I‘d love Freiburg-Basel or Karlsruhe-Mannheim. Both are amazing routes in TSC with a huge amount of layer possibilities- and to introduce the ice 4 Also: LZB action, high speed sections and Baden-Württemberg
I hope it is a new route where we can run the much desired and awaited IC cab-car and why not, also in my opinion an unjustly shelved TGV (one of the best made trains on TSW) in the Thalys or N2N version, on German soil. Or the new ICE 3 Velaro. I think you will have understood that I am not a fan of urban and commuter trains that stop at every station. I mean, I like that they are there but mainly to fill the scenario and make it more realistic and alive. I have always liked the so-called important trains best to admire and ride.
I travelled across this route in 1982 from Garmisch and it is a lovely ride. I do believe it was a Class 628, probably quite new then and was the first DB train I encountered in my travels to have cloth upholstered seats. The run up from Innsbruck to Garmisch was worked by very uncomfortable N-stock (albeit in ocean blue and cream livery") with abominable hard plastic seats! How did DB get away with running such uncomfortable trains back then, especially on relatively long and scenic journeys?!
In 1982, the 628.0 trains had been about 8 years old and were all used in the vicinity of Kempten and Augsburg. For example, they were responsible for most of the passenger traffic on the Kempten-Pfronten-Reutte-Garmisch route until their retirement in 2004. When they were introduced, their upholstered seats offered a level of comfort previously unheard of in German regional trains. I've still got very fond memories of the 628.0, with it being even more comfortable (and better motorised) than its successors Most other regional trains at that time offered only the moderately comfortable reddish-brown artificial leather benches (n-Wagen) or even worse.
Well, not previously unheard-of, although you'd have to be a bit older to remember. In the 60s and into the early 70s, DB hadn't put Silberlinge on every rural local yet; many of them were still using refurbed prewar(!) coaches, which could have upholstered seats.
Ah yes, the Umbauwagen... that's another interesting vehicle which I missed closely. They had been taken out of service about 2-3 years before I took my first steps into any train. Although they can be seen quite frequently in museum trains. That's what their second class usually looked: First class indeed did look more comfy: But I guess we're going a bit off-topic here
if it's by DTG there is not third project on the route or tier name for sure the german route is by DTG
