New Route Milan To Bologna High Speed Route

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  1. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Member

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    Hi, can we finally get an Italian route? No...really....why we always neglect this beautiful country?
    I propose the easy to do, it's all flatland, the Metropolitan City of Milan to the Metropolitan City of Bologna, Italy.
    A total of 217 kilometers.
    Good for many existing trains and a good new one .....the AnsaldoBreda & Bombardier Frecciarossa ETR1000.
    Does anyone support this proposal?
     
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  2. joepratt#5276

    joepratt#5276 New Member

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    Hi, I had also proposed several Italian lines.
    but the main problem is the licenses and the complexity of the reporting systems given that in Italy they are slightly different from Germany and Austria.
    However, I see that there have been some steps forward given that they recently introduced the FS E412 locomotive used mainly on the Brenner line on Train Simulator Classic.
    if they were to release just one Italian route I think we would do as with the LGV Méditerranée line: Marseille - Avignon.
     
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  3. SteveRail

    SteveRail Well-Known Member

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    Been on the high speed section from Bologna Centrale to Firenze and the trains are very impressive.

    Only thing with that section is it’s pretty much exclusively in tunnels barring the odd short outdoor section. Is the Milan to Bologna section different?
     
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  4. joepratt#5276

    joepratt#5276 New Member

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    the Milan-Bologna line is almost exclusively on the plain.
    There is only one tunnel that connects the Bologna high-speed station to the surface
     
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  5. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Member

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    exactly! :)
     
  6. bremen

    bremen Active Member

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    It is not a problem of terrain, it is a problem of 3D objects.
    Without taking in consideration strees, houses etc. there are 3 stations to be built just for Milan alone, Melegnano, Piacenza, Mediopadana... Bologna "slow" and AV.
    Can be done, sure... by a team of 10-20 people that can go in each location, do a tons of photos, etc :)
     
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  7. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Member

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    most of the stuff you mention you can get through google map no need to go in person.
     
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    -_-LivvuAurora-_- Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I think this suggestion is pretty cool! Just In general, routes that aren't in the usual 5 choices. I'd be pretty interested in something in Italy. :)
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea overall if you want to think big you might as well start it in Switzerland. It's now Bellinzona Chiasso Milano Cle Bologna remember to replace the high-speed Freight locomotive E403 at Chiasso for Schweizer Bundesbahn (SBB) Baureihe 482 because you will be changing three voltages 25kv 50hz AC Italy HSR Italy 3kv DC non HSR and Switzerland 15kv 16.7hz. The easy part is that you will be using the same pantograph width 1.45m copper contact strips. For the whole trip.
     
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  10. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Member

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    Problem is that this developer doesn't stimulate other customers, living outside the UK and Germany, for what concerns Europe, with new routes outside this geofenced area.
    You may argue that there's one French route and two maybe three Swiss routes.....big deal.
    I don't even consider the TGV French route, released a little while ago, as a good representation of what France has to offer in terms of train lines. Not even the two Swiss scenic routes are a good representation of what nice Swiss lines are or can be, mind you these two Swiss routes are scenic somewhat historical route a little boring at...... a premium price. ;)

    Look I travel extensively in the summer, I fly from the US to Europe and then travel by train and I only travel on regulare Euro City routes.

    I also like to travel on the German DB high speed train routes such as ICE International that travels daily from the Netherlands to Germany and Switzerland. So when I go to Switzerland I usually stop in stations like Bern, Zurich, than travel to Austria Wien etc.etc.. Then go from Zurich to Milan in Italy and take the high speed train Frecciarossa1000, travelling at a speed of 365Kmh, all the way down to Rome via Bologna and Firenze. Or Head from Milan to Venice.

    In France I also travel from Nice to Paris via Lyon with the TGV. These are interesting routes!!!!

    To re-create them you don't need to be 100% realistic, that would be a little impossible to do but, thanks to Google Maps, and other related services, you can get satellite images and from these images, sometimes also available in 3D, it's not that difficult to create a model, I have done this in the past using STUDIO MAX 3D.

    For what concerns the details of the routes well, again, as it is mostly now for some existing routes, you don't really need to re-create all the minimum details as in real life with the exception of some important landmarks.

    My opinion is that the developer can make a ton of money if they would start projects like these instead of focusing on unknown routes, internationally speaking, or routes that you and I would never get a chance to travel on, where is the fun? No really.
    Honestly I would't care if it would take 10 or 20 people to create a route like this, it's the nature of their business, and many months of work but, I am pretty sure that a product like this would have no problem in selling and it would sell big time!

    Look at Microsoft Flight Simulator, you pay premium dollars for good aircraft and good sceneries and or airport, they constantly work for months to release new products. So why this train simulator cannot do the same?

    My personal opinion.

    Thank you!
     
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  11. joepratt#5276

    joepratt#5276 New Member

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    I'll correct you on one thing.
    on the Milan-Bologna route the permitted cruising speed is 300km/h, if I'm not mistaken even up to Florence.
    while on the Florence-Rome line a maximum speed of 250 km/h is reached.
    for the rest I fully agree with your thoughts. in addition to Italy there are other countries with magnificent scenery and lines to drive.
     
  12. bremen

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    Good luck with google maps or a couple of pictures.:D

    Milano Centrale is like a cathedral.
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    -_-LivvuAurora-_- Well-Known Member

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    Huh... well I guess now we know where trains go for church.

    Seriously though, that train station looks epic
     
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  14. FrancescoD

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    Hahaha, okay..... I never said it's easy to reproduce Milan Central station but it is doable ;), after all, even with Google maps.
    Keep in mind that this route add-on would be payware not Freeware so they will earn a lot of money for this job not just ...glory.
    If the route is right then people would pay more than the usual price....look at the recent release the Bernina Line it is more than $38 dollars US.
    Thank you Bremen for the lovely pictures!
    Agreed with jooepratt on the speed limits But I remember that Milan to Bologna we travelled at 300Kmh. I am sure about that.
    Thank you all for your kind feedback now.....we need to convince some route developer to take on this project! :love:
     
  15. joepratt#5276

    joepratt#5276 New Member

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    Even Frankfurt station seemed impossible to recreate with all its tracks and architecture, but it was best achieved on Train Simulator Classic. with a line that is among the most beautiful in the game in my opinion.
    if they use the same devotion the Milan - Bologna line could bring the same results and excellent profits.
     
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