New Route: Rosenheim - Salzburg Discussion Thread

Hey everyone!
Just starting up a proper discussion thread for the new route since there’s already one for the London Overground add-on with a hive of activity.

I’m going to begin by saying how excited I am for this add-on! I live not far away from the route, and am especially looking forward to the area around the Chiemsee lake, which is very beautiful in real life. I stay there multiple times per year, it’s my favorite lake in Germany. Have even slept in the small town of Prien, where a station on the route is located, a few times. Hope to see great scenery and lots of custom models there! There are also great branch line opportunities with the Chiemgaubahn, for example. The BR 111 is also often in service on my local line (the Donau-Isar-Express), so being able to ride one of those in-game is gonna be pretty cool I reckon.

 

I'm also very excited for this route too. Hopefully should be busy with a mix of regional and long-distance services - also hoping very much to see Salzburg Hbf quite busy too, at least regarding the OBB Talent 1 etc.

Also looking forward to the BR 111 - I saw one of these locos at Dusseldorf Hbf back in 2019 (not the best pic unfortunately, but see below):

Picture taken by myself

Out of interest, how much freight uses the route?

 

A 111 at München, last year. Possibly headed to Rosenheim and Salzburg.




Salzburg Hbf, same journey (en route Wien).

 

That‘s a very good question! I could imagine it being one of the main ways of getting freight from Austria to Germany (since the line continues from Rosenheim onwards to Munich). But I have no solid proof for that

 

I’ll be keeping an eye on this route to see how it turns out for considerations

I was thinking it was tap changer loco even gives the look of one but seeing the cab i was quite surprised to see it wasn’t, I like both so all good either way

 

Looking forward to this it's a lovely part of the world. I'd really like to see the branch to Bertchesgarten via Bad Reichenhall modelled in with this route too. That would be excellent.

 

That sounds a bit pessimistic, but I would keep expectations low for now. Because the last German DLC was simply too bad for me to fall for the hype now.

The 111 series is a good thing and the model will certainly be good too. I'm still skeptical about the sound and the phsysics.

If the quality of the route is something like Vorarlberg, I would be satisfied. You'll see it.

 

Here's to hoping it will include a new Austrian train too, so as to liven up Vorarlberg too. Remaining very sceptical after the last few DTG outings. Please make sure that the mountains stop popping up so dramatically on latest-gen consoles

 

Maybe an ÖBB Vectron or Taurus included

 

Personally, a Railjet service could win me over. It also runs on the Vorarlberg route

 

Good news, because it actually is a tap changer loco! In fact, it was West Germany's final conventional AC locomotive before the introduction of the BR 120. Unlike its Einheitslok predecessors it just uses a lever with Run Up/Hold/Run Down/Off positions as a tap changer instead of a wheel.

 

Please, pretty please, include a little branch in there. Not another point A to B with the only difference being the number of stops and no freight activities apart from bring this train from point A to B again. The option to go to a third place makes a route so much more interesting to me and German content is generally devoid of it. Blackpool branches offers so much replayability thanks to this and I love it

 

Seconded! Another A to B route would have to be very special (eg. Niddertalbahn)

 

I think this will be a wait and see for me too. Will the 111 end up as a clone of the 110 or 103 as regards sound or physics, or will it be all new. And again this is a route where it would have been nice to go back to the era of UIC and Silberlinge stock. Instead it looks like we are getting another modern DB red and Dosto boring cab car drive for 50% of the time.

 

The timetable is set in 2010 and back then they were still running Silberlinge along that route (in addition to the Dostos, I believe). I do hope that they substitute in as well!

I agree, as the 111 is indeed very similar to the 110 I also see this as a risk for the development to cut corners and save hours by re-using the 110 set up and sounds. That would be rather sad…

 

I found this great cab ride with a BR 111 from about a decade ago. Looks absolutely breathtaking.


There’s also one going in the other direction (Salzburg -> Rosenheim):

 

Does anyone know what sort of layers we could expect on this route? It’s set in the early 2010s.. Will we see Talent 1s, 101s? etc.

I have very little knowledge over this route so if someone could share some that would be great

 

Don’t really know anything about the route, but I’m certainly excited to see the 111 make her debut in TSW. More older locos is exactly what I want to see in TSW.

 

He has a lot of them and you can see that there are lots of Railjets, Eurocitys and freight trains (you could even see a black MRCE 182 with DB IC coaches)

 

would there be any ICE 1 services?

 

This route is giving me Bremen - Oldenburg vibes and I like that. 111 looks interesting and I’m excited to see how it turns out.

Although, are those Dostos it’s pulling? Do they not run with any other type of coach? Its would’ve been nice to have something new and not another set of Dostos

 

There was one ICE a day, going from München to Salzburg (and further on to Wien), however, they did not stop at Rosenheim, hence, they should not be drivable in TSW. Besides, this was an ICE-T, which we dont have in game anyway. On top, in December 2010 this should have been swapped to an RJ. No idea if this has happened on time though (not that it would be relevant here anyway, just a nice little detail...). The RJs the same, by the way. Even though you already had RJs passing through Rosenheim, they were not stopping and would not have been drivable.

In 2010 you had around 10 long range services between Salzburg and Rosenheim. They were all hauled by either ÖBBs 1116 and DBs 101s.

 

My 5ct to this question can be found here:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...salzburg-discussion-thread.77068/#post-767383

 

The 111 will not be going to Salzburg as they did not go there last year

 

Certainly ICEs; this is the main route Munich-Vienna. Which specific 40x runs it I don't know.

 

Thanks

 

We SO need an OBB Taurus in the game. Which should be a pretty easy conversion of the existing BR 182.

 

But in 2010, wouldn't they have been the older generation Dostos?

 

Not really in 2010. The historical data I have access to only really shows one ICE-T (see above). I stand to be corrected if someone has more info, though…

You would think so, but the Dostos we have in the game were actually build from 2004. I have seen pictures with the 766 on this route from 2007. So this seems quite plausible…

We have seen on Voralberg the 182 already in front of IC coaches. I would hope that DTG will at least set those trains up accordingly. On PC I am sure that someone will release an ÖBB mod at some point At least I have enjoyed this kind of mod on LFR in TSW3 already…

 

Hope it layers onto Rhein-Ruhr Osten as they also drove there until 2020

 

The route isn't a must have for me, but the 111 is.
Hope it will sub in on RRO as it has driven RE4 & RE7 services for a long time. Maybe also on HRR, the 111 was often replacing 146 services.
Another nice addition would be if it could be selected to it with nWagen instead of Dostos.
Looking forward to it.

 

They would also be hauling some of the RE Services from Bremen to Oldenburg at the time period it´s set in. Sometimes even the RB trains with the N-Wagen and Cab Car.

 

Hoping there are then more austrian locos than the Talent on this route.
Please provide an official 1116 with newest features and bugfixes and ÖBB IC wagons. The amount of work should be managable.

A Railjet would be nice to have, but at least an austrian Taurus should be there.

 

Just watched the first one, wow, this has got me super excited for the route!

Some of my impressions/thoughts:
- The route gives a lot of similar vibes to MSB, Vorarlberg and Chemnitz thanks to the twisty route, lots of speed changes and mountainous backdrop so at least it will be interesting from that perspective over the course of the roughly hour-long journey to Salzburg. The route itself looks very picturesque, from the distant mountains starting at Rosenheim as they get closer and more impressive later on as well as the pretty villages and countryside along the way.
- Apart from the 111, hopefully DTG realises the full potential of this route regarding lots of different rolling stock. From the cab ride video, apart from the DB 101, would be nice to see many other long-distance trains such as the Railjet/EuroCity services subbed with the 182 as minimum as the route would feel emptier without such Austrian services etc. Also, the cab video showed quite a few 628s regarding local services, so it will be great to see these included, even if just as AI traffic for the route.
- Another interesting feature about this route is Freilassing, which is on the German/Austrian border. It's served by the Salzburg S-Bahn - even the cab ride video shows an OBB Talent 1 at Freilassing - and as there's a couple of stations between here and Salzburg Hbf, hopefully that means a plethora of playable S-Bahn services too. Also nearby there's the container terminal at Salzburg, so hopefully a few freight services as well.

Overall, I think DTG have the chance to have such a fantastic route as it has a super combination of an interesting and scenic route as well as the plethora of different service types/rolling stock from regional, long-distance and S-Bahn to freight services; it's been a long time since I've been this excited for a TSW route again which is brilliant!

 

Let's see if they avail themselves of the opportunity. Linke Rheinstrecke was such an opportunity- one which was not seized.

 

Just discovered I still had this on my phone:

 

The first thing which comes into my mind and already got asked in chat during the roadmap stream, why isn't the route up until Munich?

Well, of course we all know that would be too long for DTG to make. But... and this my real concern now,

Wouldn't it be cool if the Editor could have the added feature to extend routes like the part from Rosenheim to München? I mean we already have the assets for München Hbf in game with the München Augsburg DLC.

All what it would take to make an extension is one ambitous user and the ability in the editor to extend exisiting DTG routes. At the moment now, this can't be done in the Editor AFAIK.

 

At the moment it's not even possible to save/export anything in the editor. And to be honest: I don't think the function will come under TSW4. If any.

After seeing what some users are capable of, they may have reconsidered.

 

I 2nd the idea of an ÖBB 1016 - basically just reskinned, so it's really not a lot of work. Together with ÖBB IC Coaches. Which is more work than just a reskin as it needs a new interior.

So i doubt we'll have that "vanilla" with the route, but I'm okay if that's a loco DLC. But, please, DTG, give us more loco DLCs! The Vectron proved (hopefully also financially) that loco DLCs are veeery popular amongst the community. The 1016 + ÖBB IC/EC Coaches is an easy one. Take the opportunity and do it, DTG

And maybe we can hope for a Railjet (loco DLC?) for the next austrian route

 

Well, you can save your project and export .fbx files to work in Blender. Don't quite know what you mean. I don't understand (at least yet after weeks in my projects) why so much people complain about the pak'ing. If you look how some projects already have been evolved, it can't be so impossible.

However, this should not sound as I wouldn't welcome and even please for more improvements of the Editor.

I think if they really would put Editor improvements under a paywell, they really would cut in their own flesh because the community projects (and maybe even improvements in the future) are a big opportunity to raise the level of game. But since it's DTG we talk about, absolutely reasonable of course.

 

Well, I meant that it's not possible to share your own projects, i.e. export them as a .PAK file so that others can also benefit from it and use it in the main game.

But you're right, it shows how well and high quality the community can build - even quickly. I'm not sure that DTG will be so happy.

Back to the topic: If the quality of the route is roughly the same as Vorarlberg or Bremen-Oldenburg, I would be satisfied. The Rhine route and Maintal should by no means be role models, they were all too careless with poor performance. The 111 model will be good, I'm pretty sure. Just please don't mess up the sound or use it from the 110 again.

 

Oh, I didn't know that. I wondered why noone shared even a simply route until now, but It's because of that.

Yes, that's very bad.

But I wonder how timetables already could have been shared then? Don't they use .pak files?

Pilot21 one's project with the Main-Weser-Bahn is the most astounding until yet I guess. But yeah, if a user could do so just within a few weeks after release of the editor. DTG need might become nervous, but they should realize that people also could help them out with the Editor and projects they can't achieve on their own or apparently they seem to struggle with. So, a win-win in the end even for them.

I am not such a big fan for the 111, but I really like driving Dostos. So, that's a big plus for me.

I hope we get more variety and diversity with trains again finally like it was the case with Dresden-Riesa. I also hope that passenger announcements are finally brought in - a long long patiently awaited feature (they don't even need to be orginial captures).

I also hope for some branches maybe to have different possibilties for the routes we can drive, like in DRA again.

But yeah, a lot of expectations need to be matched with this release I guess. Hopefully, they can at least implement some of them without flaws.

 

My concern about the Railjet is that they will be simply reusing DB Baureihe 182 from the Rapid transit dlc to make the ÖBB Baureihe 1116 just like how RT 182 was remade into Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Würzburg Dispolok 182 Vogelfluglinie Bahnstrecke Hamburg Lübeck Puttgarden MRCE Baureihe 182 and carry the RT versions bug onto them. To prevent this issue it should be 1116 scratch built and then clone it for RT KWG and HBK versions.
DLC loco Euro night 1216

 

Which taxi is compatible with the 111? Have to build a new model for it DTG?

 

I also would like to focus on two details of the teaser:


1. The "Torfmuseum und -bahnhof" (peat museum and station) + the Feldbahn (field railway) in Rottau/Grassau.

Webpage: https://www.museum-torfbahnhof.de/

In this museum, they have like a little miniature railyway and some locos which transported the peat about a century ago.

Here the description from the linked webpage of the owner, translated by Google Maps to english:

"Torfbahnhof industrial monument

The peat station is a former peat factory that has been used to produce fuel peat, litter peat, peat moss and garden peat since 1920.

The buildings of the peat station are located on the Munich - Salzburg railway line and on the edge of the "Kendlmühlfilzen" nature reserve (Chiemsee-Hochmoor). The Torfbahnhof Rottau Museum Association bought the listed building in 2015. He has been the sponsor of the museum since it was founded in 1988.

The peat station is an impressive industrial monument approx. 17 m high and made of wood. Of particular interest is the only fully preserved and functioning peat baler in Europe, which is shown to visitors."



And the associated Feldbahn (field railway):

"Field railway

The field railway was the only means of transport that could transport both personnel and peat through the moor. As part of the tours, we drive our visitors (similar to the prisoners in the prison in the past) around the former factory premises in two cars and a MOLLY locomotive.

Narrow gauge 880 mm track width

Since 1920, the prisoners were taken daily by field train from the prison in Bernau to the peat station, 2 km away, and from there a further 2 km to the Kendlmühlfilzen for peat cutting. The total length of the tracks in the moor was 30 km. At the peat station, the peat was either loaded directly onto the railway or further processed.

Locomotives

Locomotive "EMMA"
diesel engine; bdm; Diema 2588/1963; 20hp;
880mm track width; operational;
with hydraulics for track construction train. ex Raubling-Nicklheim 2006

Locomotive "MOLLY"
diesel engine; bdm; Diema 1945/1956; 14hp;
880mm track width; ready for operation.ex Raubling-Nicklheim 1992

Battery Lok Ka4986BO;
Windhoff 405/1973; 1435mm track width; switched off;
ex Niedermayer paper factory, Rosenheim 1998

Lok Strüver
rail coolie; 5hp; track width 600mm; operational;
Permanent loan from the Rosenheim Water Management Office 2003"

Photos:







Thus, can we maybe even expect a short miniature narrow gauge railway with the peat museum?


2. The shopping center in Salzburg

So, I did a bit of research and could find out that this shopping center actually is the Europark shopping center in Salzburg, with the station Salzburg Taxham (Europark) next to it (which we high probably will have also with the route).

Owner's website:
english: https://www.europark.at/en/
german: https://www.europark.at/de/

Wikipedia (german only) : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europark_(Einkaufszentrum)

Salzburg Taxham station Wikipedia (german only): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahnhof_Salzburg_Taxham_Europark

I don't know why DTG decided to put that in the teaser because shopping centers and stuff like that also existed near stations already in TSW before. Can I raise the assumption that we maybe can even access the shopping center? That would be so cool!!

Here some photos:





the next picture was 100% used for the drawing in the teaser:


Here you even see the very close railway and Salzburg Taxham (Europark) station at the bottom:

 

Very interesting stuff!
I recall that a small park railway was in the works for Dresden-Riesa, but got cut pretty far into development. The tracks are still there, far away from the playable area. Perhaps they’re putting that work to use and finally implementing such a feature?

 

Well, they did do the overhead tram in Wuppertal, so it's not unknown for DTG to do something like that.

 

Really hope it comes with updated/new dostos. They’re long overdue for an upgrade.

 

Nice ideas, but its DTG. I highly doubt that you'd get anything like that, it'd be too much work. (The narrow gauge railway). Even then, I don't really see the appeal in it.

The shopping center, I just think they put it in because its a significant trackside building. Again I highly doubt you could enter it, would be much work modelling the inside and they should rather focus on getting the normal stuff right and working. Lastly, why would you want to enter a shopping center in a train simulation game. :P