It's ridiculous that the new german route doesn't even come with anything new. There is plenty of german stock left to make or even to change and update from what we already have. The ICE3m has had the wrong front the entire time which as never gotten fixed. It would have been nice to include some older dosto's for more variation or the WIKO cabcar. And ofcourse the most obvious choice, the suwex flirt. Would have been a perfect choice but instead of those 2 great options we get...nothing. Nothing to set this apart from other routes. This route should be delayed to actually add anything of interest. Atleast update the ICE3M and have the line on the front be more accurate to its IRL counterpart.
such enhancements would be mad cus then the other 4 ICE 3(M)s we have in TSW would stay as older unaffected ones which is not too nice, would feel off.
I put the M in brackets because we have both 403s and 406s in TSW. we only have one 406 in TSW, from Cologne-Aachen. the other 3 ICE 3s are just 403 and are from Munich-Augsburg, Kassel-Würzburg and Kassel-Würzburg again (loco DLC/gameplay pack), and we are getting another 406 with the Ludwigsbahn. Hamburg-Lübeck does not come with a 406 though.
I don’t know, I actually think that this should be discussed a bit more prominently. You see, the thing is: If you look at the roadmap and the Season of Thomas the Tank engine, about half the stuff is from Great Britain: New routes, new wagons and a lot of new locos. If you take a look at other countries like the US you see that they get like one new loco and a few new wagons. But Germany? We get an timetable upgrade for a route that doesn’t even get ToD4 (don’t want to start with the remaster topic here), Mittenwaldbahn (set a few years back and not from DTG), a loco we don’t know anything about and the new Ludwigsbahn- with no new stock. The fact that the priorities go to Great Britain at the moment are more than obvious but selling a route, approximately for the regular price with no new rolling stock just seems harsh to me. Yes, the rolling stock that was used on this line IRL in the year it’s set in is the one we are getting- but why was it set years back and not in the present? The only logical explanation for me is so they didn’t have to include the SüWEX. And as the OP said: There would have been a ton of other options for rolling stock even in the era it’s set in: A new freightloco like a Br151, Br152, Br189 or even a Br185.1 is long overdue; and if they don’t want to make a new loco they could bring in another generation of Dostos, a new Dosto cab car or AT LEAST upgrade the sound. There are things wrong on the Dostos from the first iteration onwards to the newest like the inside doors. I don’t want to start the Dosto bashing here because I actually like them- but there are many different versions and we only got one throughout the last 4 years. New freight wagons! There are like three billion different freight wagons left that can be seen daily in Germany. The last time we saw a new freight wagon was the EANOS with the Vectron- and I remember how much everyone loved seeing new freight wagons!! And if they really don’t want to invest the time or don’t have resources because the locomotive artists are busy with Thomas, then they could at least do the bare minimum- which is the following in my opinion: - Renewed model of the Br406 with ToD4 - Renewed model of the Dostos - normal DB livery (the RSN one) for the 185.2 instead of using the RAILION one for the 5th time - fix the taillights of the 425 being waaaaaayy to bright - Baptism names on all the Br406 and Br425 - include ALL the freight wagons we have in game; I really loved the falns but they are only seen very rarely (last time was on BRO I think) There are many smaller things DTG could do to bring at least some fresh wind into the whole rolling stock story on this route and I don’t know whether they have done some things of my list- but in the end it’s really a shame to not have a new train to drive. I mean: The modern german network uses so many EMUs and we are missing most of them- although they are really nice to drive! I really hope that DTG will at least make use of the rolling stock that’s included here and bring them to a higher, TSW5 worthy standard; otherwise this might be the first German route I don’t get on day 1 (although the S-Bahn Rhein Neckar has a really special place in my heart) In the end I just want to clarify: I don’t want to sound rude, too demanding or disrespectful to anyone- but I think it’s understandable that the German railfans are really sad about the news regarding the rolling stock.. Cheers!
Particularly common in this area are the 186 and the 185.0/1. Either of these would have been an exceptional fit for the route.
I think this is certainly a discussion that needs to be thought about. I don't think a route without a new loco is necessarily a bad idea, when we have a large amount of stock already in the game, it's a good chance to introduce a new section of existing routes. But they have to be able to do it at a reasonable price. £15-£20 for a route only dlc, is that fair? What price would others pay?
I think if the route is made really good (TSG/JT level) and the rolling stock gets the upgrades I listed above 5 bucks less is a reasonable price; but if it’s the state of Rosenheim (great route btw.!) so not on a level with JT and TSG, 10 bucks off is a fair deal..
I would understand the fact with no new loco, if we already had like 80% of all german locos in game. We dont have that so its not anything near understandable why we get no new stock. The WIP screenshots showed there is no better quality scenery wise than before and some people even noticed the 425 is missing the Sbahn doors step. To set routes in timeperiodes before a significant rolling stock change, is nothing more than being lazy and test how much people would buy this abomination anyways. It was said its because of licensing, but at this point we do not have a single german Stadler loco in game, even though the focus should be to change that. Licensing cannot be a big problem on Kaiserslautern too, because the Stadler Flirt 3 is from SüWex and we have this company in TSC already. If this concept continues in the future we have to hope that other 3rd Partys will get involved and change this lack of variety. Like TSG with Mittenwald.
I would've loved the SÜWEX Stadtler Flirt 3 in the game. Especially with them being introduced exactly 10 years ago for this route. It would've been a nice gesture as a kind of celebration for the 10 year anniversary. Also the licensing might be more troublesome than we think. SÜWEX trains are entirely driven by Deutsche Bahn, but its brand name was developed together between the states of Hesse, Saarland, Baden-Württemberg, Rhineland-Palatinate, DB, and a marketing agency. I very much assume that the TSC license was a bit easier with basically taking ChrisTrains' work as the loco DLC was already out before Koblenz-Frankfurt's release. But a new game needs a new license and with all of these actors it might be harder than imagined.
A new license Need Thomas and Friends too… and the do it… so sick… only 2 German Routes and the Mittenwaldbahn is 1988…
Since the decission that we wont get anything new is already made, it would be nice to get to know what the thought behind this idea was. Something scenery quality wise the WIP screenshots dont show? Maybe there is more into this? I just dont think this decission came out of nowhere. Maybe save some money on Pfälzische to make the route after that financially possible?
I dont think it's a good idea, we have never had a route with no new stock at all. Even glossop and san bernadino had changes made to it's stock with new liveries and alterations. Just feels like a slap in the face to not have a new german loco this season of reveals. mittenwaldbahn has an austrian loco so that doesn't even count. It would be cool if it was cheaper but I still think changes could have been made to the stock present that would make it more worth it. also the fact this oppurtinity could have been taken for a stadler flirt or older dostos yet that was not taken for some reason
By the way, it is also worth considering (in general) that this company (DTG) does not have any new products to sell during the Christmas period (perhaps the period when people are more willing to spend money thanks to the arrival of the thirteenth salary for employees).
I could imagine they'd want to avoid any major content released in December since the holidays would disrupt urgent patch fixes.
Maybe the mysterious "German loco" will be fitting for this route ..? Yeah I know ... not funny. One may daydream a bit ;-)
I wonder what it might be. heard a lot of people ask for certain DoSto EMU's or older freight loco's.
Maybe a bit too much to say it would be the most simple conclusion, but to make a dosto gen 3 cab car would be the perfect thing for this route. Not as much effort as a flirt 3, doesnt need new licence partners, much potential to be reused and fits the timeperiod. I also think its not impossible to happen, as the screenshots didnt show the standard Dosto Gen 4 Cab Car we always get. Maybe they need to confirm the rollingstock plans in order to make it official. If not, we have Mittenwald as a buffer till they could make a new cabcar. Otherwise it would be nice to have the price confirmed. The same 36 Bucks would be very very inapropriate for a route without new rolling stock and no raise of visual quality. At this point i wonder why Simtracks german loco even is on the roadmap? Its about half a year on it and not even confirmed what it is at this point. Not even a hint.
When dtg dont announce stuff they making, players be like why aren't they announcing anything. When they do announce stuff, players also start complaining that not enough is announced, etc. Can't win
Of my most wanted German locomotives, I have seen most of them: 101, 103, 110, 218, 363, 628, ICE1… actually the only ones missing from my list are 140, 232, 420, and Uerdingen (I am not including steam as I know this may never come), and at least 2 of them I know are in the pipeline of TSG. So I am not so looking forward in getting more locos that I am not going to drive, but more into some routes where I can use the locos I like. So if the route is good and the layers are interesting, I do not need a new loco. For the season of reveals, the best for me was to have 2 new routes for the 111 (more a subclass of the 110 than a new one),
