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Norfolk And Western Locos By Railman48

Discussion in 'Loco Suggestions & Proposals' started by Railman48, Feb 15, 2018.

  1. Railman48

    Railman48 New Member

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    To whom it may concern
    I have been a Train simulator player for almost five years now. Along the line, I have loved all the locomotives that are out there in the shop. However, what i have not seen is any Norfolk and Western locos and routes. I am proposing that dovetail makes the following locomotives: the Norfolk and Western Class j (611), Class Y6b (1218) and the class A. I am proposing this for a few reasons. One, I find these locomotives very fascinating. Second, there are other famous american locomotives in the game as well, like the union pacific "big boy", the southern pacific "daylight" and the union pacific "challenger." I thank whoever reads this and hope they take it into consideration for me and other fans of the Norfolk and Western Railway. thank you =)
     
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  2. LoganTMT

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    If I had the drawings...I'd do it, but I'm working on the SP GS-3 4-8-4 and the 1937 Coast Daylight Consist in a few weeks for the next two years.
     
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  3. jedi247

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    We need a N&W Route for these locos, plus some great rolling stock. I'd suggest the Pocahontas or Powhatan Arrow with the J-Class and some coal hoppers and other freight, plus an N&W caboose, for the Y6b and A-Class.
     
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  4. GP40Man5528

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    I would love to see the 611 in TS20**, or in of Dovetail's train games for that matter, but the main problem is that the Virginia Museum of Transportation (the current owners of the locomotive) have put a trademark on the locomotive. Which makes it very difficult for people who want to model it as they would have to get through the laws of copyright first.

    You can read more about VMT's trademarks here: http://fireup611.org/trademark/
     
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  5. jedi247

    jedi247 Well-Known Member

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    Great idea, but we need an N&W 1950s route to run these, or we could get the 611 and use it on excursions on an NS route.
     
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  6. Aljaž Skarlovnik

    Aljaž Skarlovnik Active Member

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    If someone does end up making a N&W J, I'd also love to see the "warbaby" non-streamlined J. And also the C&O 4-8-4, because they and the N&W J are basically the same design.
     
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  7. LoganTMT

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    Actually the N&W J had a much bigger firebox, bigger boiler, higher boiler pressure and smaller drivers than the C&O engines.
     
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  8. Smokebox

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    The 5% licensing fee that has to go to the VMT is one of the reasons why I haven't done the 611 (much as I'd like to). Another is the high cost of obtaining the necessary engineering drawings from the NWHS.
     
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  9. jedi247

    jedi247 Well-Known Member

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    We would need a route for the N&W steam locos. The route needs the 4-8-4 J-Class, the Y6b 2-8-8-2s, and the A-Class 2-6-6-4s, plus a full passenger consist and some freight cars and caboose. This needs to be done. More steam locos!
     
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  10. Buynot

    Buynot Well-Known Member

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    If a route were to be done, I think it should have Roanoke VA somewhere along the route. I really would like to see some more US mainline steam added to Train Simulator, so I'm all for this idea.
     
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  11. Joeman143

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    More North American steam locos and routes!!!
     
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  13. NEC Railfan

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    Just wondering, does the copyright on 611, which is streamlined, also apply to the non-streamlined 605-610?

    On the trademarks page, it says here: This includes (under copyright) the likeness of the Norfolk & Western Class J streamlined locomotive, including its shape, color scheme, and unique features.

    In other words, what I'm trying to ask is, does the copyright apply to all J class locomotives?
     
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  14. NEC Railfan

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    If we were to have an N&W route, this is how I would plan it out.

    Title: Train Simulator: Virginia Steam - Norfolk to Roanoke Route Add-On.
    Base Route: Norfolk - Roanoke.
    Date: 1950
    Trip Length: About 5 hours @ 50mph freight speed.
    Base Locomotives:
    - N&W Y6b [Heavy Freight]
    - A USRA 0-8-0 [Switching]
    - N&W K class. [Mixed Traffic]
    Some diesel pioneers would be cool too.
    - EMD E8 [Passenger] I'd personally be fine with the Amtrak E8 simply being repainted, but with updated sounds and physics of course.
    - Fairbanks-Morse H-20-44 [Local diesel-powered frieghts].
    - ALCo S-1 [Switching partner for the 0-8-0]
    - C&O EMD GP7.
    - Virginian 0-8-0 and 2-8-0 (for interchange AI, so it doesn't have to be as detailed).
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    (People might be asking why the J class wouldn't be in the initial release). I think it'd work wonders as a DLC locomotive IMO. Perhaps the profits from a J class DLC could be donated to keep 611 running. :)

    Price: $69.99 (Yes, I think 70 dollars is good enough for a 250-mile route, 9 engines and standard transition-era rolling stock for 3 railroads).

    Base Rolling Stock:
    - N&W-built hoppers.
    - N&W Boxcars (40 and 50ft variants).
    - Other N&W standard rolling stock.
    - Virginian and C&O Rolling stock (For interchange workings)
    - N&W Heavyweight coaches. (Lightweight Coaches should be reserved for bundling with the J-Class)

    DLC:
    Route Expansion Title: Train Simulator: Elkhorn Electrics - Roanoke to Bluefield Expansion Add-On
    DLC Route: Roanoke - Bluefield (about 130 miles) and some branchlines.
    Date: 1950 (The last year of electric operation).
    Trip Length: About 2 hours @ 25mph electric freight speed (on the electrified portion). 2 1/2 hours @ 50mph (steam-powered train).
    Locomotives:
    - N&W LC-1 (electric)
    - N&W M1/M2 (for switching and branchline freight).
    - N&W E2B (light commuter trains and branchline trains).
    - EMD NW2 (diesel switcher)
    *All rolling stock would be included with the original route above.
    Price: $34.99
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    Loco DLC Title: Train Simulator: Norfolk and Western J Class Steam Locomotive Add-On (A TS Pro-series engine)
    Date: 1944-1950
    Route for Scenarios: Norfolk - Roanoke Route.
    Locomotives:
    - N&W J (1941), J-1 (unstreamlined), and J (1950) variations.
    Rolling Stock:
    - N&W Lightweight Coaches for Cavalier, Pocahontas, and Powhatan Arrow consists.

    Price: $24.99
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    All in all, it'd be awesome to have Norfolk and Western in the game, especially the mainline from Norfolk to Roanoke.
     
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  15. Uncle Chuckles

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    Very thought out and professionally displayed, nice. However I doubt we'll see a full 250-ish mile route in one package. Largest routes out there never seem to get bigger than 80-100 miles. I'm on board for more N&W content in the game, even more for a transition era NA route for TS.
     
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  16. NEC Railfan

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    True, 250 miles would probably yield reviews of, "it's so boring", "it's too long, "Ughhhhh... Another scenery mountainous route." And 10 locomotives in a package does not sound like DTG either.
     
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  18. Uncle Chuckles

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    Going by the detailed wheels/cylinders, its just a modifed reskin of Smokebox's FEF-3. (just disabled the 844's meshgroups and custom 611 shell slapped on top) Still nice to see something 'new'being added to TS's NA steam catalog.
     
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  19. 777Gaming

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    611 would be sweet as payware! Especially if it were made by Smokebox, he would make amazing.
     
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  20. NEC Railfan

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    Unfortunately guys the 611 is kind of a flop, still needs a bit more work. Texturing is great, but the sound is missing and the whistle sounds like it’s breaking the ground. (Bit too much of a bass boost).
     
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    Nothing we can’t fix though. ;)
     
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    Sadly, the Virginia Museum of Transportation has trademarked not only 611, but the entire J Class, meaning not only would you have to strike a licensing deal with NS, you'd have to pay royalties to the museum as well, or at the very least pay a hefty fee. For a one-man job like Smokebox, having to fork over that much money for something he does as a passion project essentially probably wouldn't go over too well. Plus, you have to consider the availability of the original builder's drawings. The Big Boy is being built from 2,800 original drawings from ALCo themselves, and it might be hard to find as many for the J Class. Mike's a busy guy, too - he's set a tentative completion date for the Big Boy in September, and after that he wants to do a Challenger, so that's another year or two. While he's said in the past that a J Class by him probably won't happen, he did say the same thing about an updated Big Boy, so I guess only time will tell.
     
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  23. 777Gaming

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    Yeah, I guess you're right. I wasn't really being serious, as I knew about the stupid trademark, but it would be really neat to see.
     
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  24. NEC Railfan

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    But I guess the trademark isn't that bad, because we'd know where that money is going, to keep 611 on the rails.
     
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  25. NEC Railfan

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    I think I said this before, but would we be allowed to make the un-streamlined version, 605-610? It says the likeness of the N&W Class J streamlined locomotive, including its shape, color scheme, and unique features.
    - They don't have copyright over a standard steam locomotive shape.
    - They don't have copyright over the color black.
    - Do they have copyright over small drivers and the 4-8-4 wheel arrangement? Or do they have copyright in combining the 2?

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