Wrightline Sim are developing the Class 195 for the "dead" TSC! Quote: We are very happy to announce our first rolling stock pack will be the Northern Class 195 for Train Sim Classic! Formed of 2 or 3 coaches, these have been operating across most of Northern England, becoming the backbone of a lot of inter-regional services since their introduction in mid-2019. In TSC, the routes these operate on include Chat Moss; Liverpool to Manchester; WCML Over Shap and Just Trains’ Midland Mainline, offering lots of varied routes to drive the Class 195! https://wrightlinesim.com/class-195-coming-2025/
Thank god (or whatever deity you prefer) for that! The sim has needed one of these for so long. No modern northern England scenario would ever be accurate without one, although they should also do a 331, as it's essentially the electric version so it won't take much extra work, and 331s are actually more common. I've been asking AP if there are any plans, but Richard just says "They're too boring" which is kind of missing the point They're as dull as dish water, I agree, but the sim should be about accuracy, not just driving exciting stuff.
Only depending in which Northern area you are in. The 195s work (Leeds) - Sheffield - Nottingham and the Hope Valley route which are part of JT MML. They also do Manchester - Barrow/Windermere, Chester - Man Vic - Leeds which are not in the game.
Fair enough... it is regional, but given there's pretty much no external difference between the two, I think if it were me, I'd release a 195/331 as a single set.
Nice to see someone creating one. We just need more Northern based routes which use them 195s also run on the York - Blackpool North route so could be used on the ECML merge/Harrogate loop and I believe they also do the York - Bridlington via Selby and Hull run sometimes.
I think you need to look at the differences 195 has all vehicles powered 2 or 3 car sets so has common underfloor equipment 331 has the end two vehicles A & D which are totally different than a 195 - no Engine or Fuel Tank Pantograph on Coach C with a lowered roof section, not much underneath Coach B on the 4 coach sets. When the models are made the body shape has everything above and below the coach floor So the 195 will have the Engines, Fuel Tanks and other stuff as part of the body model. The 331 will need 3 or 4 different coaches making depending on the set and all are different to a 195. Possibly the builders are making the 331 at the same time - which would make sense. It is like looking at a Southern 377 and thinking you could make a WM 172 from it.
Very wishful thinking on my part, but if the Blackpool North to Preston is merged with the Harrogate Loop, plus the bit in the middle, voila. End to End running.
We would need the section of line between Leeds and Bradford, towards Preston via Sewerby Bridge, Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge etc. Hopefully someone will work on that part of the route to give us more to play with.
Yes, the 62 miles in the middle. But as no services from Blackpool run over the Harrogate Loop I'm not sure of the point?
Part of the Harrogate loop freeware route includes the line between York and Leeds (and is a requirement for the ECML merge and Leeds lines).
I know the Blackpool to York service doesn't run over the Harrogate Loop I was thinking Leeds to York via Garforth and Church Fenton which comes with the OTS Harrogate Loop Route.
I know but considering the work required, and the sheer amount already done this ain't a massive task, and most is removal of stuff, apart from the roofline. I just think it would be great if this was one release for both... probably cheaper too.
To be honest, I'd accept one that's just good enough for AI traffic. It's the total lack of these units on Northern routes that bugs me more than anything.
I think once its been properly textured with a bit of weathering, it will be fine. Maybe not the best but not the worst I have seen, certainly a lot better than I can produce.
Just been looking at it. Not sure what's so terrible about it. Seems OK to me. What makes you say it's awful?
Too tall, or too thin. The angle isn't very good, but there is definitely something off about the model.
Ok, show us the blueprint specifications you are basing your claims off of and we'll need you to provide details of the scale of the shown model for a direct comparison, or are you just making wild unfounded ASSumptions?
Come on, this isn't a scientific paper. I'm obviously not going to provide blueprints for the train. Don't be silly. Here, however, is a photo instead: And the model:
Having a go at people again - I though you had given up on that? Look at the bodyside - the profile does not look correct from the roof and the bodyside windows are too small. The pass doors curve in at the top which they don't on the model
Looking at the two, I would say the real one looks to be slightly "squatter", meaning the model looks to be a little to high for its width. Having said that with some decent multi-layer texturing, shadowing, shine and weathering I still think you are going to have a half decent model.
And the only section you could drive of the 104 miles between Blackpool and York is the 17 miles to Preston
In one of the earlier versions I have of the Blackpool to Preston route the track had already been laid from Preston to Burnley via Blackburn with quite a lot of scenery already placed around Blackburn station.
40 miles BPN to Burnley Manchester Road - I wonder if the Colne branch would be included as that adds another 6 miles
Pookey, quote: "It would be great if you could drive from Blackpool to York with this." ...if you could...
From a passengers point of view they have more space inside but the ride quality is poor compared with a 15x unit. And they are bland - using the same bodyshell as a 331
As Peter said below, the ride quality is actually pretty poor. I was on a 331 the other day, got off and changed at Preston to go to Nelson, and went straight onto a 156... the difference in ride quality was apparent. The 156 was better.
You are in my territory now as I live in Burnley. The 156 may be old but still quite serviceable. Much better than the 142s we used to have.
I don't have a problem with 156s. Quite like them actually. The route from Preston to Colne has some really nice stretches as well, and it's an enjoyable journey.
