Nyc Subway L Train (canarsie Local)

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  1. ZeenozPlays

    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    Route

    The L Train is a Subway Line in NYC. It operates at all times between Rockaway Parkway in Canarsie Brooklyn, to 14 St - Eighth Av in Lower Manhattan. The line is about 10 miles long and has 24 stations. The MTA, (the same company that owns LIRR) operates the NYC Subway under New York City Transit.
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    L Train Map

    It usually takes about 35-50 Minutes to get from end to end. The L Train runs on a mix of At-Grade, Street-Level, Elevated, and Underground Tracks.


    Cab Ride video of the L Train

    Stations

    Rockaway Parkway
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    Southern Terminus of the L Train. The station is at-grade and is next to Canarsie Yard.

    Broadway Junction
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    Broadway Junction is an Elevated station in Brooklyn. Here, the L Train connects with 4 other lines, the A,C,J and Z Trains.

    Livonia Av
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    This is an elevated station, it passes below the 3 Train in the middle of the station.

    Wilson Av
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    This station is unique as it has two different levels. The Rockaway Parkway bound platform is outside, while the Manhattan Bound platform is enclosed, giving it the impression of being underground when it is really at street level.

    14 St-8 Av
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    14 St-8 Av is the northern end of the L Train. It connects with the A,C, and E Trains.

    Yards

    East New York Yard
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    The L Train's main yard. It connects with the L at Broadway Junction. This yard serves the L,J and Z Lines.

    Canarsie Yard
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    Canarsie yard is exclusive to the L Train. It connects with the line at Rockaway Parkway Station. This yard is used to wash trains and to store them.

    Signal System
    The L Train uses CBTC Signalling. CBTC Stands for Communications-Based-Train-Control. Speed limits can vary between 15 and 40 MPH. Some signals are called timer signals, timer signals require the driver to stay below the speed limit set by a sign that will usually read 'GT' for Grade Timer and 'ST' for Station Timer. If the driver is overspeeding while passing the signal, the tripcock arm will trip the train's brakes and stop the train. There is another type of timer signal, called two-shot-timers. Instead of tripping the brakes, the signal will turn to yellow, forcing the next signal to turn red. The first signal will not trip you, but if you are still overspeeding, the second signal will.
    This website: https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Subway_Signals:_A_Complete_Guide gives a complete explanation of the signaling system, and how speed limits work.


    This video, directly from the MTA, gives an explanation of the CBTC System.

    The L Train also has ATO (Automated Train Operation), however, most operators DO NOT use it as it is highly inaccurate and has caused many station overruns.

    Conductors
    The NYC Subway (including the L Train), has conductors that accompany the operators. The conductor will open and close doors at each station, make announcements (on rolling stock that doesn't have automated announcements), and sometimes they do yard duties. At each station, the conductor will point at a Black and White Striped board and unlock the doors. After the conductor closes and locks the doors, they must look out the window for at least 75 Ft.

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    The striped board.

    Countdown Clocks
    The L Train has countdown clocks on the line. They display the line letter/number, the direction/destination (depending on the version), and the wait time. It also shows the time and date in the top right corner.
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    First Gen Countdown Clock
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    Second Gen Coundown Clock

    The L Train's countdown clocks differ a lot from the other lines.

    Tunnels
    Most tunnels were made with the Cut and Cover method, and they look similar to the tunnels on the LIRR (Atlantic Terminal Branch). The other type is bored. The Circular (bored) tunnels are only in the East River tunnels.

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    East River Tunnels
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    Regular Tunnel Design

    Rolling Stock
    The L Train uses two different types of rolling stock, the R143, created in 2001, and the R160, created in 2005. Both rolling stocks have Automated announcements. They run in two 4 car sets, making a full 8 car train.

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    The R143

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    The R160

    The R143 and R160 are similar, however, they have noticeable differences.

    • The R160 has double door storm doors in each car, while the R143 only has one
    • The R143 has Electronic Strip Maps, while the R160 has a FIND Display (more on that later)
    • The R143's flag is below the MTA logo, while the R160's is above
    • They have different Propulsion/Traction Motor sounds
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    Example of FIND Display
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    Electronic Strip Map Example


    R143 Video


    R160 Video

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    R143 Cab
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    R160


    Conclusion
    I think TSW needs more Subway Routes in the game. This could be a good place to 'start' as it will open up more paths to create more Subway Routes.
     
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  2. Renfe cercanias

    Renfe cercanias Active Member

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    It could be great idea . I would like to see how ATO works in the game
     
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  3. ZeenozPlays

    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that would be great. Especially since it would be completely optional.
     
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  4. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    This would be cool but I think the J, M and Z trains should be the first nyc subway lines in the game
     
  5. ZeenozPlays

    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    It does not matter, we just need any NYC Subway Line to be in the game to get started. If we wanted to really start with something, it would be the 1,2,3. I’m suggesting most routes, I just chose the L for this one since it’s an isolated line.
     
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  6. Costpap

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    To be honest, I think that either this or the Flushing line would be one of the first NYC subway routes if they were ever made.

    The L has a simpler service pattern than the 7, as there is only local service, compared to the rush-hour express <7> variant of the (7). In addition to that, the L doesn’t share any revenue tracks with other lines (The 7 shares a platform with the N/W at Queensboro Plaza, even though none of the track itself is shared there as well). The L also has 2, albeit similar, types of rolling stock, the R143 and R160, compared to the lone R188 of the 7, which could add some more variety to the route.

    All in all, it seems like a very feasible route, more than the Flushing line.
     
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  7. Renfe cercanias

    Renfe cercanias Active Member

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    But many of these routes are automatic. do you think dovetail is going to make a route with ATO? I would like to see, but dovetail ......
     
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  8. ZeenozPlays

    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    For NYC, only two lines have ATO, and its barely used.
    For London, ATO is on all lines except the SubSurface and W&C, can be turned off (each Sunday).
    For other cities, it’s usually an optional thing the operator can turn off.
    For trains without operators, it’s always ATO.
     
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  9. Costpap

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    IIRC, the MTA only mandates the use of ATO during rush hours, at other times it's purely optional. In fact, they prefer driving trains manually compared to using ATO during off-peak hours.
     
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    So dovetail can't use the (oh it had ato excuse) to not add a line that has ato that can be turned off
     
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    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. That’s why I put it in the original post.
     
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  12. ixofxiii

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    Former conductor here
    When it comes to the L, Train Operators are actually only required to manually operate during one trip of their job ( most jobs are anywhere between three to five round trips during their shift). In a sim, ot would be kinda boring just pressing a button once after every station stop. Plus, its only a 37 min trip each way with very few short turns at Myrtle Ave.
     
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    It would get some people bored like using afb for the ice3
     
  14. ixofxiii

    ixofxiii Well-Known Member

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    I believe tou mean LZB. AfB os basically cruise control since it's used in PZB or woth nothing on to make sure you don't overspeed. And in LZB, you still have to set up LZB and come out of LZB at certain parts. Plus, you'd also have to stop your train and accelerate when needed. CBTC (like on the L line in Brooklyn), is always on. It stops your train at stations. You never have to touch the throttle. All you do is press the start button when you get indication from your conductor when the doors are closed and locked. Then you press the start button and the train literally does the rest until the next stop while you preas the alerter button when indicated. Even when there's a speed restriction for track work, it's programmed into the CBTC. They are honestly two different things. On the ICE, you do have to Control the train at some points. in CBTC, the train does it all.
     
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