The ICE L is the newest ICE by the DB, it's not even worth being called an ICE though. L stands for low floor, because the train has doors with low floor entry. I however wish so hard that the L stands for loser. (the DB logo is missing lol) Honestly, it looks so ugly. It looks like it can't even reach 250 km/h which is the average travelling speed with an ICE. New slowest ICE after the ICE T maybe? (the ICE TD with only 200 km/h doesn't count okay?) Opinions? (It does look comfy though, for a DB Regio train maybe, or an IC, but not an ICE)
Apparently it’s meant for 230km, I’m not keen on it’s looks tbh, it seems way too boxy & not very flexible to turn. edit: might have been alright/ a lot better as a RE train but doesn’t seem to fit ICE
Ugly? Pff nah, it's pretty conventional in concept, decent streamlined stub face with the buffers, side profile is pretty good, same sized windows, and I like the hump. It's better looking than the talent 2, that one is ugly. Maybe something to takeover loco hauled services?
Altough its quite bad looking, and its low top speed, and not deserving the ICE name (I think its better as an IC), but with some tweaks it can look decent atleast. (edit made by me)
It appears that this train drives with a (drum roll)... a locomotive?! thats totally not worth the ICE name! this was a "Überführungsfahrt" (idk how to translate that lmao) and it appears that one end of the "ICE" does not have a cab, which means it is indeed a locomotive-powered train. yikes
I mean the ICE 2 is technically also hauled by a single locomotive, and the ICE L will have a cab car on the other end, so I don't know that it rules out the "ICE" classification per se. Sure, the top speed is a tad low...
Both the ICE1 and ICE2 are Locomotive powered, just like every TGV, Intercity 125, Intercity 225, Acela and many more. Most of them are great High speed trains, and really known worldwide, I think it being a loco pulled train isnt anything new for the DB, its basically how the InterCity works. I'd say its kinda of better to be Loco-Based, Taking in count that if 1 loco fails you have dozens of other locos (The ICE L is made for working with the "Talgo Travca" locomotive, aswell as any other Diesel or Electric Locomotive, making it really versatile. Post data: The ICE L shares the same top speed as the ICE T or ICE TD. So i guess it can be accounted as an ICE?
Not bad, but then again I really don't see why people think it's ugly, feathers ruffled over it being called ICE, I mean the Velaro D is an ICE and that thing is heinous! Same goes for the Twindexx Vario. The Talgo is just a high speed cab car set like others, I mean if you think it's ugly then you don't know ugly imo. Though if this one was a contender for the final design I would choose that one for sure. The new accompanying loco doesn't look bad either, better than the Vectron let me tell ya.
The ICE L seems to be more IC than ICE. They probably should have dropped the E and been named ICL to go alongside the IC2 sets, which makes more sense.
I dont think is for the looks that people dont like it as an ICE, I think it has more to do with its top speed only being 230Km/h. Funnily enough the same happened when the ICE T, was launched, with people saying it didnt deserve that name for its low speed. I also kinda dislike that Talgo, the ones that make one of the best high speed trains in the world, are making that for DB, its almost enfurating, taking in count they make trains that can go up to 300Km/h or more. And i've got to agree with ya, the loco isnt that bad looking, sure could do with some mayor look changes to look better, but man comparing it to a vectron it is kinda impossible.
It was originally planned as an Intercity/Eurocity train (hence the initial name ECx) - then Much like the ICE 4 (original ICx) DB decided to apply the ICE name to them.
So like Doomotron said it should be called 'IC L' if it's replacing older push pull sets. Sounds like the heat will die down by that logic and it'll become part of the furniture eventually... It's the ribs on the front, still unsure but it does look good in DB red.
There's another Traffic Red version of the same train this time the Austrian Baureihe 1293 However, we are getting the 193 version in-game if the leaks are correct. Dual Mode versions are DB Baureihe 249/248
That and probably also brand recognition. The way things are going, it seems to me that the IC brand is very much being shunted ready for the cutting torch. It’s outdated and no longer exclusive enough. If you want sell something as new and exciting, it’s gotta have the ICE brand.
Of course everyone loves The IC 1 (Me too), but you have to accept the fact(Yes, me too ) that the IC 1 is using Rolling Stock partially 50+ years old. I think we should just wait until it’s out, and after that argue what’s good or not. But they should call The ICE L IC 2 and the IC 2(Bombardier) Interregio 2.
oh sorry when was this again? over a year ago, what?? I changed my mind in the meantime, no worries. I look forward to seeing it in service now.
personally I love it, especially the Talgo loco thats rated for 280 kph I think... I mean, a push-pull train that could potentially go even faster than RailJets? Hell yeah I know we have the ICE associated with those nice streamlined bullet trains, but then, this should be fast as well so why not
Sadly, the top-speed is “only” 230 KM/H and that’s why I think they should call IT Intercity. The original project name was ECx, just like the ICE-T was to be called IC-T. The ICE T (Br411/415) also only goes 230 KM/H but it can tilt. Would be cool if the Talgo one could also do that a little bit, i think the Russian Talgo units can do that.
This whole ICE thing is a trick to let people pay more. In Germany you pay less for IC tickets so there is the answer i think.
"only" 230 km/h, heh ... as far as I saw the interior on some videos, the selling point of this will be accessibility and comfort, and dont forget, 230 is still high speed and RailJets go that fast too and are acclaimed so again, not really anything that would put this down for me from fan perspective or as a potential passenger
This whole train does not or nearly run on tracks they have a higher speed. Amsterdam Berlin is 80% 160km/h and in the Netherlands is 140 the max. Also the line Hamburg Oberstof/Freilassing/Berchtesgaden is not that fast for most of the part. Those trains are also fixed to lines. They have no plans to let them in a wide range of services like normal ICE trains does.
so it is kinda complementary service thing meant for accessibility and comfort, not a full-blown main thing like ICE3 Neo or ICE 5 (rumored in development I believe)?
and I believe DB mostly aims for 250 km/h on its highspeed services, only some that they deem economical they allow faster or build faster
250 or 300 is a few minutes that you will win there... There is not that much tracks that served a speed like 300 in Germany and for example the SFS Rhein Main have many hills so the train lose a lot of its speed and did not reach 300 in a large range.
I also like the interior, and it’ll be running on one of my favourite routes, it’ll probably like the ICE 4, at first I don’t like it but after 20 Times Riding it I’ll like it.
I mean, guys, at least those who are from Germany or similar country kiiiinda used to high speeds... I was THRILLED first time I could ride REX from Bratislava to Galanta after it was upgraded to 140 kph... one time I rode it in an EC (yes, Galanta might be small, but it is also important railway junction, and some ECs stop there ) with Vectron at the head, and he was making up for delay, so he went berserk at 150... then when I tried CJX, 160 holy train Jesus... and ONCE I rode ICE-T from Wien Hbf to St.Polten, time of my train life ppl ... even when I ride a train going 140 kph, it is so thrilling, so more ehm, rare, precious for me than ppl with better railways and 230 is almost lightspeed to me lol
The only time I'd willingly pay extra for a 'slow' ICE service in Germany would be to go on the Metropolitan sets, not that it's an option anymore. They were perhaps the most luxurious new-build trains in Europe for decades and I don't know of any on the horizon that will be nicer than them. Then again I don't think that paying a surcharge for high speed trains is a good thing no matter the speed. High Speed 2 won't have one and I don't think HS1 has one anymore (although I think peak tickets are more expensive on HS1), but for people going long distance in any Western country I believe that in pretty much every case it's better to go on a plane.
In Germany they had earlier more different prices! They had Navekehr (Regional) Interegio (semi fast Regional) IC and ICE... Now days you have Local and long distance tickets but between IC and ICE is a small price difference but not that much.
Germany is still a developing country in terms of high speed. France is much more advanced in that respect. The old winding tracks we have simply do not allow high speeds. Incidentally, France's road network has also much more straight lines, that is a result of Napoleon.
I know that nowadays highspeed is expected to run 250, 300 or more kph... but then, classic signalling ends at 160 in most countries, in Italy I believe the classic signalling goes up to 175 kph, and from there you have LZB in Germany and Austria, TVM in France etc... and gradually ETCS... so by that criteria, running over 160 is still nice and high speed (highway/freeway speed in most countries in EU as far as I know is around 120-140 kph) and Germany has quite nice network of routes with sections over 200 and up to around 300 (maybe some new sections like that one to Ulm go faster?), but then, as far as I know, DB considers it important to upgrade tracks where it can to 200 - 230 and higher only where it is deemed advantageous Austria does sth very cool - not super high speed, but where it is upgrading a suitable section of track, it creates grade separation during track renovations/upgrades (aka eliminating grade crossings and creating under or overpasses instead) and doing various other stuff, thus converting such routes to 200 kph (like Marchegger Ostbahn or Pottendorfer Linie)... as far as I know, the only faster sections are tunnels (like Wienerwald/Lainzer Tunnel - those should be 230 kph, future Semmeringbahn Base Tunnel and of course Brenner Base Tunnel, those two I believe will run 250 kph)... sth similar has been done in a lot of UK - they technically have only one highspeed route aka HS1, HS2 is still under construction, but they upgraded a lot of trackage to around 200 kph so all in all, 200 - 230 is still a very nice speed that creates some nice and efficient mode of IC travel ... maybe when EU countries develop a method to massively speed up the process + construction (you got to understand that the methods used in China are simply not applicable in EU, since China is a communist country that can do away with a lot of law/environmental shenanigans just cos the Party says so ), and then highspeed routes will happen more in EU kinda veering a bit off topic here, but isnt Rail Baltica supposed to be highspeed when it is done? y know, that 1435mm route connecting major cities of Baltic States to (I think) Poland and thus EU
heh yeah but as far as I know, only some sections of Autobahn actually have unlimited speed, plus some rules attached to it... plus unless you are a skilful driver, even if you have a Lambo, it is better not to use its full speed lol
I mean we do have a few sections where you can unlimited speed, a few are also next to high speed train tracks. If you did that in Switzerland they’d sell your car and keep the money. Ah yea, they’ll also keep your drivers license
The Line From Wendlingen to Ulm is 250 KM/H, but using the ICE L there would also be cool, even though then Göppingen wouldn’t have the IC stop.
I heard that in Lithuania or Latvia, I forgot, and not sure if it was a joke or real thing - but if you commit serious crime under the influence of alcohol while driving, you car is donated to Ukraine lol
I made a meme on it, like, if it was implemented in Slovakia (we are one of the top boozing nations in the world lol), most ppl would be riding bicycles and Ukraine would be full of cars like US highways lmao
