Looking at the current trend in addons, I just wonder if it wasn't better direction to make rich, wide stocked new timetables for older routes to give them fresh breath. From my side I would pay like 10 bucks for it, what do you think People? (lets say poll is in euro)
Which sadly is another problem with TSW. People can create content with the editor but console users can’t access it. Less than ideal.
Only if the new timetable featured new rolling stock, which would otherwise make it a gameplay pack or loco DLC. Things like Diesel Legends of the Great Western using existing stock on different routes in different eras would be included in this. Wouldn't mind a similar style pack for West Cornwall or even a diesels timetable for Peak Forest using the existing Class 45 and Class 101 in BR Green.
We should be getting new trains which come with new timetables on older routes. Not constantly recycling the same handful of rolling stock for low budget DLC releases.
DTG developed TSW with a ton of new features, benefits and major improvements like the 24h timetable, just to follow the same development cycle of TSC. Probably their marketing section put timetable dlcs in the trash bins after the trial of diesel legends dlc . I hope JT could proof that a good product is what this franchise needs, rather than a big hype polished with perfect excuses. I voted 10GBP, for example a new ntp timetable with more of the current br diesels and a.i traffic etc. And a cl20 br blue skin on top? You get my money. Where is the vision, where is the spirit? Im going to take a service to blackpool north now.
When TSW first came out we got new loco packs, it seems all we get now are these easy and cheap to produce gameplay packs. In the good old days we often got multiple units on a route too, that has all gone. It's a shame as this game needs new locos/units even if they use current routes to populate them more and make them realistic. Train simulator means trains not everything but.
And as someone making a timetable, I can tell you it takes skills and *a lot* of work. People are making free timetables because they enjoy doing it as a hobby, not because a good timetable doesn't have any value.
I didn’t say it didn’t have any value. But where people are making good ones for free it doesn’t make good sense to be selling them at £10 or £15 a go.
That's like saying train drivers should be paid less; after all, people volunteer without pay at heritage railways!
I don't think I would be interested in a new timetable on it's own, but any new loco, wagon, livery that also comes with scenarios and/or timetables I'm happy to pay. I would love to see more Diesel Legends of the Great Western type releases with a different era of locomotives and appropriate timetable, but for a pack to be more successful than DLGW it would need to contain an actual new loco not just reskins. There are so many routes out of London that could use a NetworkSouthEast makeover, give us an NSE liveried new DMU or EMU and reskin a Class 47 into RailFreight grey and I'll pay £15.
The two are not the same thing in the slightest. As has also been mentioned above, a payware new timetable using stuff we already have is not really an attractive proposition. The game desperately needs new locos, and the timetables we already have need adding to, not multiple duplicates of the same thing. Sadly you can already see where this is going. As the game is fast becoming unmanageable (having 67,372 versions of the Class 66 for example), you now find routes having 2, 3 or more timetables. Very soon this is going to turn in to one hell of a mess. I’d love to see a five year plan for TSW. I wonder if one exists?
It already did! To speak with Karl Lagerfeld: DTG is wearing joggpants. They won´t be able to give you even a five week plan. Wrong build releases anyone? But I´m quite sure your question was a rethorical one.
I for one would like to see good quality timetables in existing routes with locos not included in the original timetable. But sure, there isn't really a need for multiple such timetables per route. So the market is rather small.
Routes like Bakerloo Line or Köln Aachen have got or are getting new timetables for free. New York - Trenton got a new timetable for free as well due to the original being ridiculous. At some point LIRR was also to get a new timetable for free before they realised the signalling can't handle it. So why should we start paying for them? It would be just an excuse to get us pay again for routes that we have already paid full price for. Let's not make a habit of releasing payware patches... (*cought* TSW4 *cought*)
I suspect this is exactly what Focus meant by ‘exploring new monetisation opportunities’. Essentially it’s up to us as to whether or not this strategy flies. It’s quite an eye opener that SHG were informed as to what the price for the wagon pack will be rather than setting it themselves.
Not comparable at all mate. If a route's timetable needs redoing the chances are it is because it didn't deliver how it should have on release and so should be an update for the route rather than paid content. Of course if it were coming with a new loco then that makes sense and would be perfectly acceptable to do a new timetable in with that, however by itself not way. I don't know why an option to say no wasn't included in the poll either but hey ho!
Highly depends on the quality and conditions of the timetable to be sold and whether it layers locos from other DLCs in or not. If not, I probably wouldn't buy it. If yes, then it indeed could be a concern worth to get it. I chose 10€, but this needs to really have a lot of things added for me to pull the trigger (including trains which do not drive there naturally). Otherwise I probably wouldn't spend more than 3 or 4 Euro for it. But me personally, I much rather would like to have purchasable map extensions than payware timetable upgrades.
The problem is that even though some people in the community create custom timetables, it's still very rare and requires loads of work. Saying "People are making them for free" would only then be correct if they really create timetables for all routes in question as a substitution for paid timetable upgrades, but this is simply not true (yet). And until now as far as I'm aware, not a single community timetable has been released in any official and/or finished manner yet, either. Maybe there are even problems due to either the Editor's functionality or DTG guidelines which or even prevent that users can share their projects to others without any issues. Taking even out the PC only concern. Therefore I think, purchasable timetable upgrades which do provide quality can be a good idea to think about and indeed could have a fair price, premise they're worth it.
Voted £5 maximum, but only if done to a really high standard and brings in new layers or a different era to the existing one.
You’re not going to get community created content put out officially and for free, it just isn’t going to happen. That is not the same as the partner program, I’m talking about mods such as you see on TSC. They will never ever be put out officially. If you’re on console it’s unfortunate but it’s just the way it is. That things are like that is really part of the contract you take in purchasing a console. Meanwhile, on PC, people are making timetables for free and they are available already. They’re maybe not fully complete as yet but they will be eventually. As people gain more experience I’d expect the rate at which they appear to increase also. This discussion is all a bit ‘turkey’s voting for Christmas’. DLC for this game is already extortionate at full price. Alongside that you now have a forced, paid annual update and a myriad of other releases in the form of gameplay packs etc, also comparatively over-priced. There has been a definite shift in strategy since the Focus take-over, yet here we are discussing how much you’re prepared to pay for even more things that could and should be free QOL updates to stuff you’ve already paid for.
In a nutshell; - An update to an existing timetable is just that, an update to content you’ve already paid for. It is being made because there’s something wrong with the timetable already supplied - An update to a timetable included with a loco DLC will come as part of that, and will be paid by its nature. Examples being the 313 for ECW or the 2020 TT for the same route - Finally, TT updates of the type that came with ‘Legends of the Great Western’ are more than just a timetable and have already been sold and an expectation of price set. I didn’t buy that as I felt it wasn’t worth the asking price It is perfectly acceptable to pay for the second and third things in that list. It is not acceptable to be paying for the first. Where will it end? If it carries on like this we’ll be having paid bug fixes. You could already argue that with the now paid annual update this is already a ‘thing’ Finally, think about the options that have been set in the poll. If a full blown route DLC costs £29.99 and you were to breakdown the costs, does the timetable take up a third of the development costs? That’s what you’re suggesting by saying you’re prepared to pay £10 for one. Does it take up ~17% of the cost of a route? There’s your £5. Also bear in mind that if they are adding to an existing timetable that work has already been done and you’ve already paid for it. In that case, and anchoring the value added against the cost of a full route, you could reasonably value any additions at £1 - £2 at most. Anyone will to pay £10 for a re-hash of a timetable must have more money than sense.
With "official" I rather much meant "official" for the creator itself to it being released, a finished point of the project to share it with others. I know very well that DTG would never bring anything out for free -> exactly this order Yep, but just a point for the idea raised by the OP in comparison to community projects. Mmhh, I know a few projects by hand, for example the Dresden Riesa upgrade by mkraehe, Toronto Commuter by CFTFC or Tees Valley Line upgrade by Fawx. But none of these projects I would consider finished or completed yet, not even to mention that they are not even available to download yet AFAIK. And saying this without being disrespectful, but just because I think it is plain true. Can you give an example for a community timetable project which we can download and use at the moment today? I'm aware of none. Agree to your opinion completely. Fully detailed timetables should already be included in the base DLC (if possible), if not at least promised (really) to get added. However, we should all know that things won't change. And discussing potential upgrade options makes sense for me with the vision (or hope) to a see a future with better content and more variety in TSW The problem is that sad but true, this has become not even a money related thing anymore. They just seem to have no interest in improving or adding certain features or content of the game, even if it would generate more money for them. And there's definitely a point in the future, where I have to ask myself: Does it make sense to invest not only even more money but also time into this game franchise?
One you’ve mentioned has been available for at least a week. https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...ons/i4042-tees-valley-line-new-timetable-1989 There’s a modern TT to go with Rob S alterations to the WCL line https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...ns/i4031-west-cornwall-local-modern-timetable …and finally one for Edinburgh to Glasgow. https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...-pc-editor-creations/i3958-maks-e2g-timetable
Ah, okay. I'm not at Train Sim Community yet, so the releases there went under my radar. I thought we can release them through the forum. Also Fawx seems to have edited its main post, didn't saw that. Well, That gives good hopes for all community projects out there! But again, not quite the moment to fully substitute the idea of purchasable timetable extensions with community mods, yet as I said. If more of them for more routes come, then probably indeed ye it would be a substitution.
Another option should've been added to the poll. Zero Dollars. I don't see why we should be paying for new timetable services. We have had many new timetable updates released for free such as bakerloo and NY-Trenton and london commuter amongst others. I also believe Koln-Aachen will have one for free also so I don't see the point in this. There are modders that release pretty good timetables for free. TSW should have a in game timetable editior so that way people can just make their own custom timetables. You can do this on games such as TML Studio's The Bus for example. It would allow console users to just make their own custom timetables and then the creators club can be a way to share them
Depends. A revised timetable to improve on the original one, with no new content? Well, nothing. That’s called a patch. Adding a bunch of timetable services, scenarios, new livery/liveries in a gameplay pack? I’d say the $5 - $10 range depending on how in depth we’re getting. I prefer to see some loco dlc but this is also the sort of thing that can add depth to a route if done well.
