I am in the process of upgrading from a gaming laptop to a PC. For many years I have played the Truck driving sims ETS2 and ATS, but lately I have been taking a look at the YouTube videos of TSW4 and I have really got interested in getting TSW4. 1. I have for many years preferred graphics quality over fps so I am thinking of a 4K display of 27" or 32" if I can afford the later. If I settle on 27" I may even look at QHD1440p. 2. Taking the above into account I was looking at a monitor with a 144Hz refresh rate. Can TSW4 support that refresh rate, or would I have to run at 60Hz. 3. As far as possible I would like to build in an element of 'Future Proofing' so I am looking at an off the shelf PC based around a RTX4080 GPU. If you have any advice please add your comments and opinions. I am hoping to get things ordered before May Thank you.
165hz works fine! I have a 4070ti with 1440p and the game run smooth as butter.... I use upscaling DL 4k and i have around 60/80fps... If you play ETS/ATS and TSW more than a 4070 is not bring any extra efforts to this type of games. Otherwise u use a lot of energy and for the game it brings nothing extra.
Thanks for getting back to me. What graphics settings are you using with the 4070ti. As I said I am also looking at 4k. With regards to ETS2 and ATS SCS are working on a new engine that should be released later this year that should take full advantage of more modern systems. TSW4 and ATS/ETS2 will be the only games I will be playing.
All maxed out and 4k upscaling from 1440p to 4k..... Here is a video from my YT channel with FPS counter active.... It's in 4K 60fps! What you see in the video are the quality in game.
TSW in 4K Ultra settings looks amazing. I've been working on my 4K PC build for a long time and I'm happy now. I had the same questions as you. The monitor chose between 27 and 32 inches. I definitely recommend 32, it looks great. There is no point in chasing a frequency of 120Hz; a stable frame rate of 120 in 4K resolution can only be provided by the PTX 4090. I have a 120Hz monitor that I use with a 60FPS limit. My first PTX 3070 card did not provide the performance I needed at 60 FPS in 4K resolution and Ultra settings (25-40 FPS). I recently replaced it with a PTX 4080 Super, its performance suits me (but does not provide a stable 120 FPS). It copes with all routes and installed heavy modes of vegetation, germination distance and lighting. The problem remains only when connecting Oculus Quest 3, its performance is not enough (30-40 FPS), but you can play, especially on old routes. She is experiencing a problem with new routes. I have an assembly: i7-12700K processor, MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI motherboard; RAM G.Skill DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000Mhz Trident Z5 (memory with a frequency of 6000 Hz, but with a set operating frequency of 4800 Hz - at 6000 Hz TSW does not want to work and crashes); GF RTX 4080 Super 16GB GDDR6X Suprim X MSI; SSD disk MSI SPATIUM M480 Pro HS 3D NAND TLC 2TB M.2 (2280 PCI-E) NVMe 1.4; Monitor MSI Optix MPG321UR-QD; operating system Windows 10; DX12; all Ultra settings: Test on one of the difficult routes Nahverkehr Dresden - Riesa (93-119 FPS) GPU: 67℃; 98% loaded; consumption 301 W; MEM 6990 MB SPU: 57℃; 23% loaded; frequency 4 812 MHz; consumption 83W; RAM 17,500 MB
A 4090 for TSW and ETS/ATS is way to much..... It brings nothing more than a 4070 but the price difference is a big... So if you only play this 2 games my advice is choose wisely...... The difference is 1900€ for a 4090 or 990€ for a 4070....
6 months ago I moved up from 1440p to 4K and have been really pleased. My 1440p monitor was ASUS and It was a real disappointment to be honest. I currently run TSW4 with everything apart from sky quality on Ultra settings. FPS is set at 90. My Specs are: Dell 3223Q running at 4K 144Hz AMD Ryzen 5800X CPU AMD 7900XTX GPU 64GB RAM
This is the set-up I am looking at:- Will it all work together ??? Monitor 4K tba 1x Kolink Observatory Y Mesh ARGB Midi Tower Gaming Case - Black Window 1x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail 1x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C36BBEK2-32) 1x Kolink Umbra Void AIO 360mm Performance ARGB CPU Water Cooler 1x Asus GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER TUF 16GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card 1x WD Black SN770 1TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3X0E) 1x Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-77Q1T0BW) 1x Build Stock Microsoft Windows 11 Home Advanced - Systems
I'd see if you can get a motherboard with x2 or more m.2 slots, then populate 1 with Windows on a 512gb drive, 2 with your games on a 1 or 2GB drive, then add when you need further drives as SSD.
Xander1986 said. Here is a video from my YT channel with FPS counter active.... It's in 4K 60fps! What you see in the video are the quality in game. That was a great video. Sadly my rig monitor is only 1080p so I did not get the full benefit. My Laptop is 1440p so it was very sharp. I did notice some micro stutters from time to time. Are you using TrackiR? I have Track iR and I'm hoping TSW4 supports it. What controller are you using? I see that you do not look down at the throttle brake lever, or any other control for that matter.
Yeah microstutter are always a thing... Its not big but its there.... If you have a 4090 or a 2060 make no sense.... Beware by a new installed route or if you update your'e graphiccard driver the route have to compile the shaders that caused extra stutters but in the second and later the game runs very smooth I dind't use a Trackir in the video but i have one and it works really good!. I dind't use a controler either... I have a gaming keyboard with Magnetic keys so i can really good use the the steps of the throttle without looking down. Its more a feeling thing. There is no controler support except Raildriver support
I think I have found a Monitor, and not one I would have considered. AOC Gaming U32" 4K 144Hz G-Sync. Not heard of the make But some of the reviews are really good and at £499.99 is worth a go I think! If I buy from Amazon they are ok with returns if I get it wrong. I had been checking out controllers and I was not sure about Raildriver. I am not one for keyboard control, mainly because I have never use one to control anything including Flight Sims, Combat Flight Sims and all Driving sims. With a combination of mouse and TrackiR using the cab hotspots would that work? My other thought was a game controller which I have used in the past with a PS4 to add in menu options? I Don't know! Anyway getting very close to hitting the "Buy Now" button. I am really looking forward to getting into TSW4.
Yeah an XBox/PS controler is possible. Sorry i mean more controllers like a joystick or flight simulator controllers
The sweet spot for Ryzen 7000 is 6000 MHz for RAM. If you can get a CL30 it would be even better. I use the Corsair 2x16 GB 6000MHz CL30 EXPO kit but my first DDR5 kit was a Kingston CL40 2x8 GB which I replaced purely for more capacity. I had no issues with it. CPU cooling I recommend Arctic Freezer II (not the newly launched II due to high pump noise). I have the Freezer II 420 mm and it is amazing. As for the monitor, I strongly recommend to have a look at ultra wide screens too, especially if you aim to play simulators but not only. I use a curved 34¨ 144Hz 1440p VA panel right now. Pretty slow but I won´t touch OLEDs due to image retention and burn-in risks. I am patiently waiting for mini LEDs to start shining. I have a Ryzen 7 7700X with an RTX 3070 right now. I plan to replace both towards the end of the year or early next year when the new generation of CPUs and GPUs is launched, provided it´s worth it of course. Definitely an X3D CPU and potentially a 5080, will see. Good luck!
Yes, some years ago I had everything you would ever need for flight sims. My Driving gear is Fanatec, with the exception of the H Shifter which is Thrustmaster and the gear change knob is a custom range change/splitter. I did see some really good looking gear for Train Sims by TS Controls, Amazing gear but expensive https://tscontrollers.com/previous/ and no longer available.
G.Skill DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000Mhz Trident Z5 (memory with a frequency of 6000 Hz, but with a set operating frequency of 4800 Hz - at 6000 Hz TSW does not want to work and crashes); What RAM are you now using?
RAM crashes are not like Train Sim Classic... Train Sim world have no issues like that.... This game runs with nearly no crashes due to low hardware.... Youre RAM is way above the minimum so dont worries
I am never going back. I changed to this format around 10 years ago. Movies (not so much series) are in 21:9 as well so no more black bars. It´s a joy like you say.
Hi, Xander I have read a lot of the posts here re 4K and I feel that the 4070ti Super will not cope well enough with 4k without dropping well below 60fps. Can you tell me how do you set upscalling on a 1440p display and what monitor are you using. I have a budget and I want to spend it wisely. Thanks mate
I have a good fps arround 60 and above no problems here. Its in the Nvidia settings panel... Its DSR and i use 4k sceensize DL (deep learning)
I wondered if you'd considered AOC. I've got the AOC 24G2U as a result of the good reviews. Sorry I didn't comment originally, because your way isn't my way; I don't believe in future proofing in a deflationary environment, where waiting gets you more for less. You can use console controllers on PCs, Matt does, and it's something that I intend to do. There's some good sales on and a Humble Bundle - https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/latest-sales-thread.26334/page-4#post-821628
While the Raildriver is ok, if you are used to accessories like Fanatec then you'll find the Raildriver to be very toy like in comparison. If you do go for the Raildriver, then definitely use the software in this thread https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/ts-world-raildriver-and-joystick-interface.61440/ as it lets you swap out which lever does which control, for example the default lever for single lever EMUs will result in a lot of accidental emergency brake applications, but you can swap it out for a lever which has a gated maximum brake setting. You can also remap all the buttons to key presses which gets around DTG's annoying habit of having different Raildriver button assignments for different trains. I believe the software can also be used to connect HOTAS and other joystick controllers so probably worth trying with whatever hardware you already have before shelling out for the Raildriver.
My G.Skill DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000Mhz Trident Z5 with CL36-36-36-96 timings came out of the box with the default frequency settings of 4800 MHz (minimum for DDR5). I set the factory memory frequencies to 6000 MHz through the BIOS (you can select frequencies through the BIOS - 4800, 5200, 5400, 5600, 6000 MHz). For reasons unknown to me, TSV began to constantly crash with these memory frequency settings. I couldn't finish a single script. I have not found an explanation why, with a change in memory frequency, the stability of the TSV operation is lost. I was forced to return to the original RAM settings (at a frequency of 4800 MHz). I also came to the conclusion that increasing the frequency of RAM does not increase overall system performance in TSW. The RAM frequency does not determine performance. From the point of view of system performance, a system with DDR5 installed also does not have any special advantages over a system assembled with DDR4 (with frequencies of 3200 MHz). You can opt for a more budget-friendly RAM (and assemble your PC on an appropriate motherboard - a more budget-friendly one). As for the video card that is optimal for stable operation of TSV in 4K resolution, the Ultra and High settings with a frame rate of 60FPS will be sufficient - RTX4070Ti. (sufficient performance for a reasonable price). Initially, I planned to upgrade my PC with this card. But when the UEVR program and the ability to play TSW in VR mode appeared, I bought myself Oculus Quest 3. After which I came to the conclusion that the performance of the PTX4070Ti was not enough for the VR mode and upgraded the PC with the PTX4080 video card. My opinion: if you are building a new system, build it according to the concept of working in 4K resolution with a PTX4070Ti video card and a 32-inch monitor or widescreen monitor (if the budget allows, of course). If the budget does not allow, then TSV looks just as good in 2K resolution. In this case, it will be sufficient to build a system on a PTX3070 video card (it is ideal for 2K resolution).
Thank you for taking the time to compile your reply. The information provided is helping me get closer to making a decision. I have been humming and harring over monitor size 32 or 27. I use TrackiR in as many sims as I can, and when driving ATS/ETS2 I would not be without it. This does present a problem with 32" and that is the correct height for the sensors of the TIR unit in relation to the reflectors worn on the top of my headphones. Keeping my eyeline as close to the centre point of the display will mean that the TIR will be 3.5" higher, and my visual distance to screen is 24". Lowering the screen will result in the dashboard being below the steering wheel, and seating further back defeats the object. One further point the monitor will be mounted in my driving rig.
Don't worries about the connection for the Tracking I have a 31.5 monitor and it works good. I think you see to much wolfs and bears on the rode ahead... And what already is written a 4070ti is for normal use perfect. If you use VR, what's not you're case it's different! I think you ask to much people and they gives you not a real reflection and they will talk you to a 4090 and a bizar pricing pc. I guess this people have no clue what u asking and what the needs are. Same like all the YT videos.... They not realistic at all with all the sponsored LOVE.
Hi, that made me laugh. And, I guess you are right. I have settled on a 32" and I will adjust my rig to get the best viewing set up. I will be contacting OcUK tomorrow to finalise the spec and order, then it will be a two week wait for the build. I want to thank you for your help. No doubt my next post will be regarding adding DLC content and mods to TSW4.
Yeah no problem at all! It was a pleasure to help you! And i know exactly why you are a little scared there are so many advices and its not easy to choose.
I’ve got a 4070 and it certainly does the job. The monitor Samsung G7 Odyssey lets it down unfortunately.
I looked at that monitor but it was a no no for me because of the shape of the back panel. It would not have fitted on my Driving rig. So it was design over function for me.
Flickering, random black screen as if it’s lost signal. There’s a few workarounds I’ve tried. It’s not TSW related, by the way. Type into Google Samsung Odyssey G7 displayport or black screen and you’ll see the many issues! I’m just glad I bought in a sale.
I am currently in the process of upgrading myself. This is the config I have settled on: GIGABYTE Z790 GAMING X AX Intel Core i7-14700KF Kingston Fury Renegade 2x16GB 6000MHz CL32 GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super Windforce Samsung 990 Pro NVMe 4TB FSP Hydro G Pro ATX 3.0 1000W Fractal Design Pop Air Black Solid Cooling Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler 2x Noctua NF-A14 front 1x Noctua NF-A-12x15 back I would say we are shopping in a similar budget, so I'd be happy to get you some FPS results once I receive it. I'm currently on a 1080 ultrawide monitor which I am planning to replace later, but there's a resolution scale slider in TSW, so I should be able to scale it up to 1440p ultrawide for you.
I would say that we are even shopping at a very similar store! Looks like you are building this PC yourself. I have not built a PC since 2007, and I am a bit too old to have another go.
Please consider a liquidcooler. I have now and its not expensive but the results are huge. The standard cooler that you have could be eventually not enough.
Quite possibly haha. I'm not building it myself, I'm having it built by the store. The reason is that I recently sustained an injury that left me with some nerve damage so I can't use my right arm all that well for now. I'm picking up the PC tomorrow, so I can benchmark TSW for you by the end of the week if you'd like me to. I'm not a fan (pun intended) of liquid cooling to be honest. I understand you get lower temps but at the cost of reliability and you basically get pump noise with fan noise. I went full Noctua because I'm doing a quiet-ish build and every review I have ever read everywhere put Noctua products in a class of their own when it comes to both cooling performance and noise production. The reason for getting a K SKU CPU is the potential to overclock, yes, but I won't be doing it at all unless I have to in the future.
I have a liquid cooler from Cooler Master and have no issues as you described! My cooler makes no pump sounds and my pc is way more quiet than before with a old cooler. And what do you mean with less reliable? It works superb!
I second the water cooling on the CPU. There is 0 pump noise from my Arctic Freezer II 420 at idle and under load only the fans can be heard. Highly, highly recommended. Since you got the K with OC in mind, air cooling on new gen AMDs and Intels will never match water cooling because the CPUs are designed go straight to 95°C and will throttle more and reach lower top frequency. For gaming I have the intention to wait for the next generation of GPUs from both nVidia and AMD to upgrade. If the prices will be insane, I will buy an RTX 4080 Super watercooled, the Inno3D Black which is partnered with Arctic so top level performance.
Recently upgraded from a desktop with a Ryzen 7, to a laptop with a Ryzen 9 and RTX 4070, you can't go wrong with a AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU, stay away from Intel, overpriced, overheating piles of excrement
I have an AMD Ryzen 7 3700x and works perfectly! Its an AM4 but have no problems with it. Better to spend the money on a GPU.
That would be quite the detour I'm afraid I'm not meaning to bash watercooling. You do you, and if it works for you, go for it. I have heard quite a lot of bad stories from friends to keep me away from it for the time being. These include pump failure, coolant leakage, deteriorating performance due to gunk buildup inside the radiator and the CPU block, and the list goes on. This is obviously a long term thing, none of them failed on the first week, but more like after a couple years of heavy use, conveniently after the expiration of warranty. Obviously, these are weatercooling products from a few years back, so the quality probably improved since then. For my current build I'll definitely wait it out, to maybe jump on the watercooling train for my next build.
