Let's open this up to the forum as a whole and has out the best "Class 66 alternative" to add to game. Not just because you want it personally...but what makes sense as a solid TSW asset? What would be suitable (realistic) for the most routes in game? Total built, years of coverage, best licensing options, etc. These are the ones I could find on wikipedia that seemd to fit the same general role as the Class 66 and would fit in a similar timeframe. (Diesel powered, similar horsepower, similar traction, etc) Please vote and please explain your reasoning behind your choices. Possible class 66 alternatives Loco Total built Service Years Notes Class 55 22 built 1961-1982 Class 56 135 built 1976-current Class 57 33 built 1998-current Rebuilt Class 47s Class 58 53 built 1983-2002 Class 59 15 built 1985-current Basically early Class 66 variant Class 60 100 built 1989-current Class 67 30 built 1999-current (similar to Class 66) Class 68 34 built 2013-current Class 69 16 built 2020-present (converted Class 56s with internals of Class 66) Class 70 37 built 2008-current Class 88 10 built 2015-current (version of Class 68 usable with OHLE)
Love my br side but I have to go for class 70 because there’s no other locomotive for modern uk freight in game at the moment. the 55 is a very close second
It was close, but my top pick is the class 88. I think having a bi-mode loco would be the most interesting, and it could later probably be turned into a class 68 without too much effort for a Chiltern, TPE or Scotrail route. I think it would add the most options out of any on the list. My other two close choices were 70 and the class 55, the class 55 however has less routes where it could be used.
Ok a few things Class 55s were express passenger locomotives withdrawn some 15 years before the first 66 was built, so no idea what they're doing here. 57s were used for container services by Freightliner for about 3 minutes before they decided to standardise on 66s. Getting licensing for an appropriate route would be a nightmare unless it's in its current role as Night Riviera haulage. The trouble is the class 66 is the first truely universal freight loco we've had since the likes of the 37s and 47s. The rest tended to have specific uses and specific areas. 58s, for example, rarely if ever went north of the Midlands; currently, 60s tend to be in the north with GBRf (I don't think DB use theirs any more); 68s and 88s (on freight) spend most of their time on the WCML running out of Daventry towards the north, 70s are operated in small numbers by Colas, not sure if FL still use theirs, and when was the last time you saw a 67 in the wild? Additionally, 66s replaced many of the classes you've listed - 56s, 58s, 60s, as well as 31s, 33s, 37s, 47s, 86s and some 90s. There's a reason they were nicknamed The Red Death. So, to answer your question - none of them, unless you want a list of different classes. For what I'd like to see though, I'd like 56s, 60s and 70s as a priority, though not much for the 56 or 60 at the moment.
67’s weren’t really built as freight locos but as replacement passenger locos geared for 125 MPH operation. Likewise a 68 while very welcome is more of a passenger loco. My personal choices would be either a Class 56 or 60 both of which would be at home in a semi retro or more contemporary setting. As noted, use of the Class 70 has declined. In truth as someone else pointed out above for something modern at this point I would nominate the new Class 99 as it looks an absolute beast.
I didn't include that because it's never been in service yet. It wouldn't be appropriate for any route in game.
That's the problem, ClumsyPacer. Modern freight in the UK is kinda boring because it IS the Class 66 doing most things in real life. The game is just reflecting real life. So we have to get a bit "creative" to add variety like DTG does =-) Points are taken however. The 55 I put on the list because it's so often requested. Although yes it would require opening a hardly ever used era (1962-1982) so it might kick off a renaissance and open a whole new group of machines and routes. Probably not, but it does seem like an "empty" space on the timeline of UK railroads for not just TSW but most rail sims. The 56 and 57 are doable, even if limited in service. Again, being "creative" because of lack of rolling stock The 57 shares much of the 47 so it'd be pretty easy to make. The 58,59 and 67 are there to make a complete list, but I know they're a bit too close to a "66" for most people...then again people fight over minor features all the time (a different number of carriages or different livery and people pretend they are totally new trains) The 60 at least had 100 built which is rare in modern UK times. The most interesting I think are the 68/88 which are used on freight but again limited (ie "get creative") It could be used on "nuclear trains" authentically too, and open up some new routes. You can reuse the basic design for both and add duel mode and tri mode operation. The 70... limited but asked for a lot and again "get creative." The 99 I didn't include because it's never been in service. It's still in "testing." No routes are built for 2026 and future, so it won't go on any of them yet. When it's in service in 2 years, then it can be added for TSW 7 or TSW 8. The 66 does most everything in real life, but people only want "realism"... until they don't. =-) The comments are very helpful though! Keep suggesting! And If I missed any valid ones actually used in the UK, let me know. One thing that I can mention (that is the opposite of the post but related).... what about European use of the 66? I know it's called "overused" in the UK, but it actually could layer on some routes in Europe as it has served there too on occcasion (France, Germany, etc) Kinda like the 47 on Semmeringbahn.
Contrary to most players it seems, I don't dislike the Class 66, ubiquitous though it may be. On most routes where it appears, it's a welcome relief from all the electric toy trains that typically dominate. Perhaps its American provenance is another reason. However, it would be nice to see some diesel alternatives ( I don't much care for electric freight haulers. ) But that would mean going back in time, something only JT seems interested in doing. I don't expect to ever see any new UK diesel freight locos from DTG. Passenger you say??!! Ah that's different. Let's have a Class 50, some more 52's and a 55. But who's going to build them? Again, probably not DTG. They've already said they don't sell haven't they.
Choose the class 88 because on electric Routes if your electric mode doesn't work just drive on diesel power. Although you will have this issue sluggish acceleration for a Modern Diesel electric Freight it's another train simulator classic locomotive that isn't in game class 70.
For sounds, well the HSP46 on the MBTA routes is kind of similar so could probably be remixed if the developer couldn’t get access to the real thing.
I'm not too fussed about having the 66, we just need more VARIETY!! European imported 66s, or the bug-eyed headlights, with the differing cabs as well alongside their liveries. That's what I want, considering you don't really see anything bar a 66 on freight workings since they are so common.
Well I’ve been spotting at Watford Jct twice recently and on both occasions I saw 70’s and 90’s so that’s not really true. I see 90’s on the North London line as well. When the GBRF 99’s come into service they are going to pop up on a lot of lines with AC as well. The 66’s are at the end of their life pretty much and have reached their zenith now.
In terms of future proofing, and in case a GBRf license can be acquired, a Class 99 would be perfect. They're the first UK bi-mode that can actually compare to a Class 66 both in electric and Diesel modes, and there's a pretty good chance there'll end up being quite a few more than thirty produced. Would probably be a pretty good fit for a lot of future UK routes, and, with some artistic license, could also slot into some already existing timetables.
Considering the last 66 came in 2016 (not even 10 years ago!) and pretty much all of their 59 cousins are still in service, I think the 66s are far from the end of their working life.
Class 66s will be around for quite a while. There aren't enough replacements for them to be phased out yet. GBRf has just regeared and renumbered some of their 66s allowing greater torque, better acceleration and higher load capacity, although max speed is reduced from 75mph to 65mph.
I was just quoting a documentary I saw on YouTube about the new GBRF 99’s coming in. It’s not just a case of their age it’s the fact that the technology is outdated and very heavily polluting according to what was said. The new 99’s will run on AC which makes them far better in most of the main lines in the UK. They do have a diesel back up but that runs on veg oil. 66’s are not good for the environment and in that scenario a lot has changed in a decade. Governments want clean railways as well as roads.
Yes and no more 66’s are being built because of environmental issues so in time 99’s will replace them. I agree the 99 would be a sensible choice. A grand loco that knocks the 66 out of the game. At last a freight loco that can run clean on overhead power and is clean and efficient. Watch them slowly take over our freight scene.
I doubt the 99s will take over anything as we still have nearly 60 year old locomotives plying a solid trade in this country, plus change takes place at a pace that even wind erosion can easily beat. So I'd comfortably say 66s will be around for decades to come......
I only quoted what I heard in that Class 99 documentary. They once said that about the diesel car tbf! Point is we need more UK freight locos in this game as their omission is not realistic. I see plenty of other freight locos out on the rails. It’s getting dull.
And bucketloads of them are still driving around now doing the business, so just proves my point lol......
