Train Sim World 3 Portsmouth Direct Line: London Waterloo-portsmouth Harbour

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    Drive from the sea to the capital utilizing fast, modern traction in Train Sim World 3: Portsmouth Direct Line: London Waterloo-Portsmouth Harbour

    Hello, I would like to suggest the Portsmouth Direct Line for TSW3 because it is an ideal route length, only 9 miles less than SEHS Extended, yes, this route is 80 miles long

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    The British Rail Class 444 'Desiro' in SWR and ex SWT liveries

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    The British Rail Class 450 'Desiro' in SWR and ex SWT liveries

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    The British Rail Class 455 in ex SWT livery

    Training: (In Training Center)
    Class 444 Introduction
    Class 450 Introduction
    Class 455 Introduction

    Scenarios:
    Broken Dessy: (Difficulty - 2)
    A 444 has broken down at Haslemere, and you have been tasked to rescue it, drive a 450 from Guildford to Haslemere, couple to the front of it, and take it to Fratton for repairs

    Portsmouth Direct: (Difficulty - 3)
    Drive a 444 from Waterloo to Portsmouth, calling only at Woking, Guildford, Haslemere and Portsmouth & Southsea, but you will be stuck behind a stopping service from Waterloo to Woking, then you will be following a stopping service to Portsmouth & Southsea, so expect A LOT of reds

    Evening Empties: (Difficulty - 1)
    After coming in from London, drive a 12-car 450 from Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton CSD for overnight cleaning and servicing

    Suburban Stopper: (Difficulty - 2)
    Drive a 455 on a stopping service from Woking to London Waterloo on a cloudy day but rain is forecast so watch those rails, you don't want wheel slip/slide

    Freeroam Wimbledon: (Difficulty - 1)
    A sandbox scenario where you can shunt units about Wimbledon Park CSD or drive them out to Wimbledon Station or vice versa

    Timetable:
    Any Working Timetable from 2019-present

    DLC, Layers, Service Pattern and Stations coming in Pages 2-5
     
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    Potential DLC:
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    The British Rail Class 458 'Juniper' in ex SWT livery (would make SWR suburban services (Windsor/Reading) between Clapham Junction and Waterloo playable)

    Layers (In)

    Class 377 and Class 387 (LBN) for BML AI at Clapham Junction

    Class 377 (LBN) and Class 313 (ECW) for West Coastway AI between Havant and Portsmouth Harbour

    Class 166 (GWE) for North Downs AI at Guildford and for Portsmouth-Cardiff services between Fratton and Portsmouth Harbour


    Layers (Out)

    Class 455 could sub onto London Commuter, albeit in Southern livery

    Class 444, Class 450, Class 455 all sub in as AI at Clapham Junction on LBN (Gen 9 only)


    Service Pattern:
    Would come out of the Working Timetable

    Stations:

    London Waterloo:

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    Waterloo station also known as London Waterloo, is a central London terminus on the National Rail network in the United Kingdom, in the Waterloo area of the London Borough of Lambeth. It is connected to a LU station of the same name and is adjacent to Waterloo East on the Southeastern Main Line. The station is the terminus of the Southwestern Main Line to Weymouth via Southampton, the West of England line to Exeter via Salisbury, the Portsmouth Direct Line to Portsmouth Harbour which connects with ferry services to the Isle of Wight, and several commuter services around west and south-west London, Surrey, Hampshire and Berkshire. The station was opened in 1848 by the London and Southwestern Railway, and it replaced the earlier Nine Elms as it was closer to the West End. It was never designed to be a terminus, as the original intention was to continue the line towards the City of London, and consequently the station developed in a haphazard fashion, leading to difficulty finding the correct platform. The station was rebuilt in the early 20th century, opening in 1922, and included the Victory Arch over the main entrance, which commemorated WW1. Waterloo was the last London terminus to provide steam-powered services, which ended in 1967. The station was the London terminus for international trains from 1994 until 2007, when they were transferred to St.Pancras. Waterloo is one of the busiest railway stations in the UK and has had nearly a hundred million entries and exits from the station in a year. It is also the country's largest station in terms of floor space and has the greatest number of platforms.

    Vauxhall:

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    Vauxhall is a National Rail, London Underground and London Buses interchange station in central London. It is at the Vauxhall Cross road junction opposite the southern approach to Vauxhall Bridge over the Thames in the district of Vauxhall. The mainline station is run by the SWR and is the first stop on the Southwestern Main Line from London Waterloo towards Clapham Junction and the south-west. The Underground station is on the Victoria Line and the station is close to St George's Wharf Pier for river services. The station was opened by the L&SWR in 1848 as Vauxhall Bridge station. It was rebuilt in 1856 after a large fire and given its current name in 1862. In the early 20th century, Vauxhall saw significant use as a stop for trains delivering milk from across the country into London. The tube station opened in 1971 as part of the Victoria line extension towards Brixton, while the bus station opened in 2004. It remains an important local interchange on the London transport network.

    Queenstown Road (Battersea):
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    Queenstown Road is a railway station in inner south-west London, 2 miles 50 chains (4.2 km) south-west of London Waterloo, between Vauxhall and Clapham Junction. It is a short walk from Battersea Park train station and Battersea Park itself to the west. It has three platforms, two of which are in use by all stopping services related to the Waterloo-Reading Line: its branch services to Weybridge (via Hounslow) and two separate sets of bidirectional Waterloo-to-Waterloo services via Hounslow using the Hounslow Loop and via Kingston using the Kingston Loop. In additional 50% of maximum peak hour trains serving the Shepperton branch call at the station.

    Clapham Junction: (same asset as LBN)
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    Clapham Junction railway station is a major railway station and transport hub near St John's Hill in south-west Battersea in the London Borough of Wandsworth. It is 2 miles 57 chains (2.71 mi; 4.37 km) from London Victoria and 3 miles 74 chains (3.93 mi; 6.32 km) from London Waterloo; it is on both the Southwestern Main Line and BML as well as numerous other routes and branch lines passing through or diverging from the main lines at this station. Despite its name, Clapham Junction is not located in Clapham, a district situated approximately 1 mile (1.6 km) to the south-east and is instead sited in Battersea.

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    Earlsfield:
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    Earlsfield railway station is on the SWML serving Earlsfield in the London Borough of Wandsworth, South London. The station is in Zone 3, 5 miles 46 chains (9.0 km) from Waterloo and situated between Clapham Junction and Wimbledon. It is operated by SWR, as are all the trains serving it.

    Wimbledon:
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    Wimbledon is a National Rail, London Underground, and Tramlink station located on Wimbledon Bridge, Wimbledon in London, and is the only station in London that provides an interchange between the London Underground and Tramlink. The station serves as a junction for services from the Underground's District line and National Rail operators (SWR and Thameslink), as well as Tramlink services. The station is in Zone 3. It is 7 miles 19 chains (11.6 km) from London Waterloo on the SWML.

    Raynes Park:
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    Raynes Park railway station serves the district of Raynes Park in the London Borough of Merton. It is 8 miles 51 chains (13.9 km) south-west of Waterloo and is situated between Wimbledon and New Malden on the SWML. The next station along on the Mole Valley line is Motspur Park. The station is served and operated by SWR and is in Zone 4. It has 4 platforms and 2 of them are accessible with ramps from the station entrance (those being the platforms to London Waterloo)

    New Malden:
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    New Malden railway station is in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames in south London. It is 9 miles 62 chains (15.7 km) south-west of Waterloo. The station is served by SWR and is in Zone 4.

    Berrylands:
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    Berrylands railway station is a National Rail station in the borough of Kingston upon Thames, London. It is 10 miles 78 chains (17.7 km) south-west of Waterloo and is situated between New Malden and Surbiton. (Trains on our line pass through non-stop through here)

    Surbiton:
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    Surbiton railway station is a NR station in Surbiton, south-west London, in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames. The station is managed and served by SWR and is in Zone 6. It is 12 miles 3 chains (19.4 km) from London Waterloo and is situated between Berrylands and Esher on the main line. It has been considered one of the finest modernist stations in Great Britain and is a Grade II listed building.

    Esher:
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    Esher railway station is a mid-priority station on the SWML operated by SWR in England. The station adjoins the north of Esher with two footpaths skirting Sandown Park Racecourse, the town's commercial area being 300 meters beyond the racecourse entrance. The station is situated between Surbiton and Hersham and is 14 miles 31 chains (23.2 km) from Waterloo.

    Hersham:

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    Opened on 28 September 1936, Hersham railway station is on the London to Woking line and operated by SWR. The station is 0.7 miles (1.1 km) north of Hersham village centre, adjoined to one side by housing and the other by fields and a golf course. It is 15 miles 73 chains (25.6 km) from London Waterloo and is situated between Esher and Walton-on-Thames.

    Walton-On-Thames:
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    Walton-on-Thames railway station is at the southern edge of the town of Walton-on-Thames in Surrey, England and borders Burwood Park, Hersham. It is 17 miles 6 chains (27.5 km) from Waterloo and is situated between Hersham and Weybridge.

    Weybridge:

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    Weybridge railway station is near the established midpoint of Weybridge in Surrey, England and south of its town centre. It is on the SWML and operated by SWR. It is 19 miles 12 chains (30.8 km) from Waterloo and is situated between Walton-on-Thames and Byfleet & New Haw on the main line. The Chertsey branch diverges from the main line here and runs to Virginia Water.

    Byfleet & New Haw:
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    Byfleet & New Haw railway station is on the London to Woking line, operated by SWR. The station is at the northern edge of Byfleet with the village of New Haw immediately to the north and the M25 within 400 m (1,300 ft) to the west.

    West Byfleet:
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    West Byfleet railway station is a railway station serving the village of West Byfleet, which forms part of the borough of Woking in the English county of Surrey.

    Woking:
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    Woking railway station is a major stop in Woking, England, on the SWML used by many commuters. It is 24 miles 27 chains (39.2 km) down the line from Waterloo. The station is managed by SWR, who operate all trains serving it.

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    Worplesdon:
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    Worplesdon railway station is a railway station in the Woking district of Surrey, England. The station is located between Woking and Guildford stations on the PDL, 26 miles 55 chains (42.9 km) down the line from Waterloo.

    Guildford:
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    Guildford railway station is at one of three main railway junctions on the PDL and serves the town of Guildford in Surrey, England. It is 30 miles 27 chains (30.34 mi; 48.8 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

    Farncombe:
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    Farncombe railway station opened in 1897 as a minor stop on the PDL between Guildford and Godalming, England.

    Godalming:
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    Godalming railway station is a stop on the PDL, 34 miles 37 chains (55.5 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

    Milford:
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    Milford railway station is a railway station serving the village of Milford in the English county of Surrey. It is a stop on the PDL, 36 miles 21 chains (58.4 km) from Waterloo via Woking.

    Witley:
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    Witley railway station is a station on the PDL in Surrey, England. It is 38 miles 36 chains (61.9 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

    Haslemere:

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    Haslemere railway station is on the PDL, serving the town of Haslemere, Surrey, England. It is 42 miles 79 chains (69.2 km) down the line from Waterloo, measured via Woking.

    Liphook:
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    Liphook railway station serves the large village of Liphook, in Hampshire, England. It is on the PDL, 46 miles 67 chains (75.4 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

    Liss:
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    Liss railway station is a stop on the PDL, serving the village of Liss in Hampshire, England, 51 miles 35 chains (82.8 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

    Petersfield:
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    Petersfield railway station serves the market town of Petersfield, Hampshire, England. It is on the PDL, 54 miles 71 chains (88.3 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

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    Rowlands Castle:
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    Rowlands Castle railway station serves the village of Rowland's Castle, Hampshire, England. It is located on the PDL, 63 miles 18 chains (101.8 km) down the line from Waterloo via Woking.

    Havant:
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    Havant railway station is a railway station in Havant, Hampshire, near Portsmouth, located on the PDL which runs between London Waterloo and Portsmouth Harbour.

    Bedhampton:
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    Bedhampton railway station serves the former village of Bedhampton, now a suburb lying a mile west of the centre of Havant, in Hampshire, England.

    Hilsea:
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    Hilsea railway station is a railway station on Airport Service Road, Hilsea, Portsmouth, England serving the northern end of Portsea Island, including a large industrial estate nearby. The station was once the closest to Portsmouth Airport, which was closed in 1973.

    Fratton:
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    Fratton railway station is a railway station in the city of Portsmouth, on Portsea Island in the United Kingdom. It was opened in the Fratton area of Portsmouth on 1 July 1885 as an interchange station between the LB&SCR and the short-lived Southsea Railway branchline.

    Portsmouth & Southsea:
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    Portsmouth & Southsea railway station is a Grade II listed building and the main railway station in the Landport area of the city of Portsmouth in Hampshire, England. It is close to the Commercial Road shopping area. The BTP maintain a presence at the station. There is a taxi rank at the front of the building and regular local buses within five minutes' walking distance. The station, which is managed by SWR, has ticket barriers in operation.

    Portsmouth Harbour:
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    Portsmouth Harbour railway station is a railway station in Portsmouth, England. It is situated beside Gunwharf Quays in the city's harbour, and is an important transport terminal, with a bus interchange and ferry services to Gosport and the Isle of Wight. The station currently has four platforms in use: numbered 1, 3, 4 and 5. It is managed by SWR. Platform 2 is no longer in use, having been decommissioned in the early 1990s following major repair and refurbishment work to the pier that the platforms sit on. The station is located adjacent to Portsmouth Harbour between the Gunwharf Quays shopping centre and the Historic Dockyard. Unusually for a mainline railway station, it is built over water as the station was originally constructed on wooden piles, which were later replaced by iron supports.

    I hope you enjoyed this one, DTG, if you are looking at this, please consider making this classic route
     
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    The licencing will be the only problem as swr didn't give the licencing yo Rivet for the island line bit south west trains might be ok
     
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    SWR licencing is still being negotiated to the best of my knowledge and may well be approved at some point.
     
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    Great route suggestion. Not sure how gen 8 would cope with Waterloo if Victoria is anything to go by. If only PS5s were more readily available and not as expensive. Let's hope Sony do not repeat this fiasco when PS6 finally arrives.
     
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  9. One of my favourite routes on tsc. Even though it does bring the world's best graphics cards to thier knee's.
     
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    Nice proposal though I would prefer to see it with CIG/BIG and VEP units which could also layer in on BML. Also EPB's or even 4SUB's for the inner area local services.
     
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    Yep, I spent many a weekend crossing from Gosport to Portsmouth on the ferry then taking that very train up to London and back. Would love to see this line in TSW3. Good suggestion, well presented.
     
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    Yes please OldVern. A bit of slam door EMU action. Surprised that we don't have any as dlc already.
     
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  13. Nice idea. Welcomed if ap make the trains. The dtg variants in tsc weren't that good.

    I will add the 416 was ok.
     
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  14. It will come one day.
     
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    I wouldn't mind that, but the thing is, the BML would have to be remade to the era of this route
     
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    I'm sure it will :)
     
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    Yeah fair point, maybe less services for Gen 8 like on BML would do the trick
     
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    +1 for AP Class 444/450 EP and for AP Class 455 EP to make an appearance if the route is set in modern day, if not some of AP's slam door EPs (411/412 is an example of which) would be great if the route is backdated by a number of years
     
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    Why not add the 5 WES Wessex Electric the class 442 as a DLC train here then have that layer to BML as an Alternative Gatwick Express.
    Rolling Stock 444/450 701
    DLC
    458
    442 5 WES
    Older Mk1 coach based design
    4TC
    4 REP
    4 CEP
    4 CIG
     
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    The Class 442 was new in the late 1980s and would be seen operating alongside much older slam-door Mk1 EMUs on express services with 2 (possibly all 3) variants of Class 455 on suburban trips, those being /7, /8 and /9 which were also based on the Mk3 coach design except for one coach in (I think) /7 which was a PEP vehicle surrendered by the Class 508 before they migrated to Merseyside.
     
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    Even then you can't have the 442 for DLC because the time I want the route set, of which the 442s were bought by SWR, then used for a little while, then SWR reversed their decision, the only way a 442 could be added is if the route is set in the early 2000s when SWT had them or in the NSE era with the 'Toothpaste' livery they had at that time
     
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    It's quite long and complex, the TSC version took two attempts to make it to Waterloo with assistance from 3rd parties as well. Maybe Portsmouth to Southampton instead? If you include the lines to Havant and Eastleigh you would still have lots of services and scope for the Class 166, 313 and 377 to layer on with longer services.
     
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    Ok then and how about 701 EMU can that fit here for London Area services if so then 444/450 run 1xx services to or from Waterloo station from Portsmouth
     
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    I would like to see a 701 in the game or the other alternative is a 707 but either I wouldn't mind as DLC ;)
     
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    I wouldn't mind Portsmouth to Southampton with branches to Eastleigh and Havant as the same stock would be featured on that route too
     
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    Ok then but if set in Era 6 PDL has Slam Doors Mk1 coach-based 4CEP CIG VEP followed by 444/450 458 and 442
     
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    I wouldn't have a problem with that, I don't care what time period it is, whether it is modern day like I suggested or backdated like several replies have suggested ;)
     
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    Mate, you had me at Desiro. This would be Great to see!
     
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    You know the 380s aren't the only Desiros in the UK lol, 185s, 350s, 360s, 380s, 444s, 450s, and the Desiro City range of 700s, 707s and 717s are all Desiros ;)
     
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    For layering would we have the class 37 and 47 layer on for railtours as I know west coast railways operate them there on trains like the statesman.
     
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    Would love a railtour layer from either WCR and LSL with their 37s or 47s :)
     
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    Ik. But it would still sound great!
     
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    Agreed ;)
     
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    Maybe as an extension it takes the turn of line at Eastleigh.
     
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    Not a bad shout actually :)
     
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    Thanks! I only thought cuz Eastleigh is my favourite trainspotting place as there is such a variety. There could also be some 701s in Eastleigh T&RSMD.
     
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