Well these have been mentioned extensively in discussions so here is the formal suggestion for DTG to consider: Class 45 - this is already in the game but requires slight remodelling and a reskin into early BR green livery. Class 104 B&RCW DMU - this type was already operating the Buxton shuttles from 1957 and has widespread potential for use elsewhere on BR classic era routes. BR Class 25 - aka Sulzer Type 2. Again needs little introduction and a firm favourite still lacking in TSW. For shorter passenger workings (double headed on expresses perhaps) and short freight. Could also layer into NTP (in blue livery) and also SoS. Finally, the much requested and needed catering car(s). Either a RMB or RBR, preferably both:
Even just the Class 45 and Class 101 in BR Green would be welcome addition, although they would have to be modified into as-built condition and the timetable would likely need adjusting to accommodate the different formations. We definitely have quite a few diesels (even some suitable for the Crewe - Liverpool route) which deserve more use.
Brilliant suggestion Vern, these diesels were just as common as the steam locos were at this time. Peak Forest needs them desperately and I can only hope DTG have already got something in the pot stewing.
Hopefully dtg have some ideas for this release going forward. Otherwise it is yet another missed opportunity. Please give us some more classic stock. Perhaps some of the 3rd party developers would consider classic types as dlc especially those with no surviving examples today.
Any chance the route would also be suitable for the Class 33? Been hoping for a 2nd route to use this loco on...
33s likely rarely ventured to Derbyshire as they were built for the southern region and spent most of their time in that area.
Afraid Class 33 unlikely. They were slightly more powerful than the Class 25's with a throatier sounding Sulzer engine than fitted to the Type 2's. Largely confined to the Southern Region at that point - it was only really in the early 80's they spread further afield, South Wales, Cardiff to Crewe etc. but still never up to the North Midlands.
This means to be added because at the time of the route all of these locomotives are in operation according to the British Railways 1963 documentation.
I'd also love to see the blue pullmans om the midland pullman service. They could be seen here in 1963 if I'm correct. Then again, they didn't stop at Ambergate, like all the other expresses. It still would be nice to see the blue pullman, being such an unique train. Other than that, I'd love to see the stock suggested. A transition era route with mixed traction is really a lot more interesting, even for someone that doesn't prefer diesels over steam.
YES YES YES. No survivors for this class but much deserving of representation in game. This would also allow them to be added to DLoGW if both variants are built in parallel.
Given they chose to set the route in 1963 might indicate they had the potential for diesels in mind, otherwise they could have set it a decade earlier and kept it purely steam (which would also be more representative of the timetable we are getting).
Blue Pullman delight at St Pancras If the NBL power units sound can be recreated, this would also allow for Class 21 and 22 locomotives in the future as all 3 types had the same engines. Blue Pullman sets would sound very similar to the diesel electric Class 21 with the diesel hydraulic Class 22 sounding slightly different due to the different transmission.
Really excellent idea for the route however what surviving locomotive has those sounds otherwise they would have to get a recording of it that is archived
I don't believe there are any survivors but maybe there are a few still operating as industrial generators that can be used for sound collection. With types no longer around, it might be possible to seek other examples of the relevant power units to record from.
Thank you for telling me about this and for those industrial generators are they exactly the same as the north British locomotives? because if they are not the same then the community will complain about them.
I am only assuming that the same model of MAN engine is still in use somewhere. The Class 22 society apparently have one ready to go into a new build Class 22 if the project ever goes ahead (fundraising permitting). I also forgot to mention that the Class 41 (D600) and Class 43 Warships had a pair of these engines as well.
I wonder if the peak Forest Railway ever extended down to Darby in the 1960s If so as extension extensin peak Forest Railway in TSW 3 TSW 3: It would be nice to have a 1970s & 1950s era Great Western Express - London Paddington to Bristol/Oxford & Brighton main line - London Victoria to Brighton/London bridge with diesels & steam locomotive
Yes it carried onto Derby at the Southern end and Manchester at the Northern end. It's a shame it doesn't carry on down to derby (in game) as it would only be an extra 10 miles or so an Ambergate is such an insignificant place.
Having seen more of the included content on the Peak Forest preview stream, I think this is essential to bring the route to full potential.
