Steam Problem Loading Map

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  1. ohadnaor#4830

    ohadnaor#4830 New Member

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    Hi, I would appreciate your help, when I open the game on an upgraded map (such as New journeys expansion and more) and choose the On Foot mode, it puts me in the original map without the upgrade. The upgrade only appears when I start straight into the service of one of the trains. How can this be arranged?
    Of course I deleted the game and reinstalled it, including the mods.
     
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  2. SGTDRE

    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    What kind of upgrade map? Which TSW are you running, Which train and route are you trying to load?
     
  3. ohadnaor#4830

    ohadnaor#4830 New Member

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    I run the Cologne map in TSW4, when I run the game in On Foot mode, in the BR423 mod. The map that is loaded to me is the original map and not the latest map. This is how it is with all map upgrades.
     
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    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    Okay that is a completely modded Timetable and I would suggest you contact the Mod Author with any issues, as DTG will not troubleshoot any issues you may have, now If another player also has this mod they may be able to assist you, I don't have it and remember with the latest Patch/Update DTG pushed out may have broken this and many other mods.
    This means mod authors will have to update their mods, I am running 300 + assorted mods and many have already been updated.
    I would have been able to give you this answer much sooner, when looking for assistance you must provide as much info as you can.
    I hope you get this worked out and good luck.
     
  5. ohadnaor#4830

    ohadnaor#4830 New Member

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    The mod I'm talking about is New Journeys - S-Bahn Köln BR 423 Add-On I bought on Steam, not a mod I downloaded online. I noticed that many people have the same problem in all kinds of mods. Hope they fix it in the next update.
     
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    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about this => Train Sim World® 4 Compatible: New Journeys - S-Bahn Köln BR 423 Add-On on Steam (steampowered.com) this is a DLC, not a mod.
    You said you are on foot in the BR 423 Mod, I searched and found this Cologne Aachen Timetable 2023 - Train Sim Community this is a Mod.
    Please to reduce any more confusion, provide as many details as you can, screenshots would be very helpful.
     
  7. ohadnaor#4830

    ohadnaor#4830 New Member

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    In the first picture I activate the map through one of the services of the trains, in the second picture I activate the DLC as On Foot. When you start as On Foot, it gives the original map and not the DLC
     

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    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    The Train Sim World® 4 Compatible: New Journeys - S-Bahn Köln BR 423 Add-On => DLC
    Has all the info about this DLC, as it is using the same map, it does not add a new map.
    Be it on foot or not. If you're looking for or expecting more new maps that is not part of the DLC.
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  9. ohadnaor#4830

    ohadnaor#4830 New Member

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    I understand what you're saying, I've been playing the game for years. In the last few days when I open the game in "On Foot" it simply puts me in the original map without the additions of the DLC even though in the selection I choose the DLC. In the picture I am adding you can see that after I selected the DLC and then "On Foot" the BR423 did not load and instead the original map with the BR422 loaded.
     

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    When spawning in on Foot, you don't have a train, it is more of a start on foot and go on a walkabout, find a train and take over if the game will let you, or use the tab key to bring up the selection of trains, select it and spawn it in and usee X to place it. I think I understand what you are looking to do or have happen, but that is not how DTG made it, you want the BR 423 you need to select it and then select the timetable route. Also, the train that is there the BR 422 is an AI train that could also be/ and or is a player train/scenario, now this could also be a random train that spawns when you do. It is like this with every route, you don't spawn with the train you want when you choose On Foot. Nor will the BR 423 spawn with you, it may but it could be random.
    And I'm guessing you would rather have BR 423?
    Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-New Journeys_S-Bahn Köln BR 423.jpg
     
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    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    I am with the OP here. I have just tried spawning on foot in the New Journeys timetable at Cologne. I checked the map by pressing 9, and there are no DB BR 423s on the map at all. The BR 406s and BR 442s are still there, but not the 423.

    The 422 that the OP is referring to runs S-bahn services on the Original Release timetable. DTG did not want players to lose their progress with the 422, so made a new timetable with the 423 instead of the 422.

    When spawning in on foot, for some reason, even though the alternative timetable is selected, the player is spawned into the original release timetable, rather than any duplicates.

    Players are having a similar issue with the 'Diesel Legends of the Great Western' DLC. Whenever they spawn in on foot, they do not see Class 52s and Class 101s like they expect, but the Class 43s and Class 166s from the original timetable.

    Interestingly, this doesn't seem to affect the Bakerloo Line. I can access the new timetable on foot just fine!
     
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    It is a new day and I did even more searching, Okay, the different or alternate timetable is very different from a new map or alternate map, the screenshot I cobbled together is to show what I see there, and when trying to sit in the driver's seat, and I did do some searching and I have not found anything to indicate that the BR 423 for Schnellfahrstrecke Köln - New Journeys Expansion is to be or should have spawned in when loading on foot. I even searched for whatever I could find that may have been put into any DTG YT stream. Not anyone else just from the DTG devs.
    --As a side note pressing 9 to pull up the 2D map will only show what and if any trains are in the area running or on a siding.

    This goes back to some years ago "Streamed live on Feb 17, 2022" and it was a mashup of multiple routes from the UK, DE, and US and nothing was stated, one way or the other, be it writing and what I found in the YT videos, So I fired up TSW2 and loaded up Schnellfahrstrecke Köln - New Journeys Expansion starting on foot. I took a couple of screenshots and this is what I am seeing.
    • TSW2
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    This is what should be/is spawning in TSW2 and not in TSW4 but what is being expected?
    If everything that was carried over from TSW2 -> that is if it did "but I have not checked yet -> TSW3 -> did not completely transfer over to TSW4. It would appear that it all should have but did not, or was it done in error or intentionally?

    I also just fired up TSW3 and loaded up the Schnellfahrstrecke Köln - New Journeys Expansion starting on foot and this is what I am seeing, again not knowing what was done or not, how it was designed to be I have no clue, could this be an oversight or again intentionally done this way in TSW4? I say this only because these are OLD routes as well as the expansions.
    Again only seeing and knowing what is happening in TSW4 and I have not done much in TSW2 & 3 in a very long time, I did not think to look and see how the route was loading on Foot. aeronautic237 you explained it a little better, as a language barrier seems to be the reason for the miscommunication.
    In a way, it almost appears to have been done this way for reasons that are not being explained, maybe because they are older routes or a few fat thumbs got in the way.?
    • TSW3
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    I also personally did not look at how the on foot was loading, this is my error and very rarely did I load the game on Foot,
     
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    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    I find this understanding that the extra timetables should not be expected to work on foot to be interesting. I hadn't considered it.

    I assumed that since you select the timetable before selecting 'On foot' you would be spawned in the timetable you selected.

    The fact that you could spawn on foot in TSW2 and TSW3 leads me to believe that this is a bug introduced into the game in TSW4. It makes no sense to intentionally remove a feature from the game.
     
  14. CFTFC

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    This has started happening since the last core update to official timetables and mods (including my own). From what I can tell it has to do with layers in the timetable (I have 6 layers in my mod). I can only guess the Bakerloo timetable doesn't use layers and isn't affected.
     
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    Yes, that is what is assumed, and expected, and one way or another DTG did something to fix/patch one aspect of TSW while breaking another aspect, and at the same time why some things are not working as they should, just like the issue in the thread where I posted graphic showing what is and is not working after a patch to patch it and more than likely it can be as you said a bug that got into TSW4, but then again they DTG have removed and or changed routes and features before, more so to bypass an issue than to correct it.
    And this is why we have Full and reduced options with a couple of routes.

    There are plenty of questions and no real answers, Now that I think of it, could this be done in such a way as to just leave some things as layers? And only because getting it to work as it is in TSW2 & TSW3 is not working as intended and leave it as a selectable layer.
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    If I may ask which mod is it that you made or is it just for yourself, if so, so be it. As you said one route not using layers is not affected, Hmm "scratching Head ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" which could lead to, maybe, kind of, sort of be the reason, that there is a conflict with the layers and its Fubaring things and to un-Fubar it :) "Yes an odd statement" they in some way reverted/changed how everything is coded.
     
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    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    I just tried spawning on foot again, and the Bakerloo Line layers from Great Western Express and Northern Transpennine are still there.
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    My mod is a timetable for the Oakville Subdivision which can be found here,
    Toronto Commuter 2024 Timetable Enhancement Pack V1.1 - Train Sim Community

    I haven't figured out what is happening but as I said it seems to have something to do with layers and requiring a certain DLC to unlock that layer ("Required DLC Plugins" is the option in the editor). As we can't see inside cooked timetables, I don't know how Bakerloo is setup especially as it is an older route. I suspect it might have something to do with the Add-on Manager which is why it doesn't affect TSW3 or TSW2 as I can confirm my TSW3 version of the mod isn't affected.
     
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    I will for sure check it out, looks interesting, thank you. This almost sounds like the issue with the Class 166 and the CabCam mod
    I posted some very odd images and Spikee1975 the mod author said something similar, it's the way the older "DLC" is made.

    :CORRECTION:
    Mod = DLC above.
     
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    Which route was this in, now I'm testing how my game is "Raildriver" included, would be willing to see what is happening.
     
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    London Underground Bakerloo Line: Bakerloo line 2021

    About 200 metres south of Willesden Junction there is a depot with some static stock. You may also find some static stock in the depot that is south of Stonebridge Park. Furthermore, on the West Coast Mainline between Queen's Park and Harrow and Wealdstone, you will find some class 66 freight trains that are AI only.

    These layers are not included in the 'London Underground Bakerloo Line' timetable. Only the 'Bakerloo Line 2021' timetable.

    I am not sure what a Raildriver has to do with this, though...
     
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    Thank you.
    Just that I have just been testing and seeing what is and is not as it should be, the video I made is in the troubleshooting section range. I just uninstalled and reinstalled all my mods.
     

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